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Nye
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lockin n loaden border
Keepin up with local border news we see protesters either deported or "anchor baby" now in U.S services webnews afterpost-sayin no amnesty they r the
intuders - so now why again r we here n Baja not
intruding here?
[Edited on 3-14-2014 by Nye]
[Edited on 3-14-2014 by Nye]
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Ateo
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I'm for humans being able to traverse borders, and the sharing of cultures. I think the bashing stuff you see on tv and hear on radio is meant to
sell advertising.
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Hook
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I like borders. Without them, everything would be the same.
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dtbushpilot
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
I like borders. Without them, everything would be the same. |
Exactly. We couldn't go anywhere because we would already be there..
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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gnukid
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In the us protestors are not deported based on free speech, they only be deported in the case of criminal activity that is demonstrated and provable
or by their own admission. Many cities are sanctuary cities and people can not be asked for proof of immigration for no cause of suspicion.
Families with US born children are treated differently than individuals without children.
Mexicans who state they arrived as children and attended school can be granted amnesty.
Many other cases for amnesty exist as well.
On the other hand there are record number of deportations, apparently.
Look up constitutional court cases in california and you'll see many cases of illegal stops, illegal confiscation of vehicles by tow companies
apparently giving kickbacks, including a recent case of 5-6 SF police charged with robbing immigrants as well as recent rape charges against police
for raping immigrants.
Police may not impound cars of non-licensed drivers
http://www.mv-voice.com/print/story/2011/02/18/off-the-hook-...
Police with robbing immigrant
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/san-francisco-cops-cha...
Police charged with raping immigrant
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_25318637/san-jose...
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absinvestor
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Based on my limited data it does seem that the US makes it really difficult for Mexicans to visit the US vs the ease Mexico makes it for us. For
example the daughter of a very successful motel/restaurant owner here in Huatabampito was denied a visa because she was single?? Eventually when her
parents decided to visit and they applied as a family she was approved. I know several other legal Mexicans working in the US that have similar
stories where a family member living and working in Mexico (with no desire to relocate to the US) can't can't a visa to visit relatives in the US. We
have to find the answer for illegal immigration but I'm not sure that denying visas to those who want to visit/vacation in the US helps.
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David K
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If you lived near the border or work in the landscape industry, it isn't hard at all to understand why the rules are different for
each country.
Not all, but a large percentage of:
Americans going south into Mexico:
1) Use the legal border crossing
2) Bring enough money or supplies to support themselves in Mexico
3) Bring additional money to spend at Mexican businesses
Mexican going north into the USA:
1) Cross illegally and avoid or attack the border patrol
2) Have little or no money for what they need.
3) Need to work at American businesses to survive and send money back to Mexico.
Not saying I agree or disagree, I am saying the reason why the rules are harder on the good, legal Mexicans... the bad apples spoil it for the good
ones!
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absinvestor
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David K- I agree. It just seems like sometimes the people making the decisions don't use a lot of common sense.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
David K- I agree. It just seems like sometimes the people making the decisions don't use a lot of common sense. |
Exactly... so when do we (as a nation) once again elect people that have common sense? Have a great day! 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
I'm for humans being able to traverse borders, and the sharing of cultures. |
When our economies are similar, that may be possible. Do you think all these Mexicans are coming to the states because they like us? Their motto
may as well be, "The best part of the Red, White and Blue, is Green."
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[Edited on 3-14-2014 by DENNIS]
"YOU CAN'T LITTER ALUMINUM"
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J.P.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
David K- I agree. It just seems like sometimes the people making the decisions don't use a lot of common sense. |
Exactly... so when do we (as a nation) once again elect people that have common sense? Have a great day! |
By Who's definition do we certify their common sense?
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DJL
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
Based on my limited data it does seem that the US makes it really difficult for Mexicans to visit the US vs the ease Mexico makes it for us.
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This is fact . My best Friend is a Mexican from La Ribera ... and we cannot get him up here for a visit without undue hoop-jumping .
I find the xenophobes who rant and scream for a wall to be built between us and Mexico seem to be overlooking something - while illegals are an issue
.... what about the seemingly millions of LEGAL immis' coming in from Eastern Europe ? Every day , there's another Airplane load of folks coming in
.... sponsored by whatever church . The Russian/Ukraine population in the greater Sacramento area is well over 60,000 currently , and the local job
market isn't what I would call thriving . Lots of the new arrivals are quite elderly and on the dole . I've no ill will against them (or anyone
looking for a better life) , but cannot help but wonder - are they here because they're White ?
It would seem to be a bit of a double-standard .
D.~
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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When I did a solar installation near Tecate CA. I wondered why the "indocumentos" insisted on vandalizing the well pump and generator as they passed
through. Every day the area was strewn with Oxxo drink cups and Gigante shopping bags so the individuals were not from the US.
We left the uphill pipe spigot in place which allowed the flow of around 300 gallons, but that does not explain broken spark plugs and distributor
caps, and panels ripped off the generator. My customer's son was a Special Forces staff sergeant. He brought some illumination flares and trip wire
flash-bank-like grenades. That night after him spending several hours rigging the trap I was awakened a few minutes after midnight by a tremendous
concussion.
The vandalism stopped at least for the following nine days. The house is at least a quarter mile from the well. The grenade (tied way the hell and
gone up an oak tree), and the flash grenade tied to the 20' high derrick over the well seemed to work. It takes just a few punks to give great
ammunition to the anti indocumentos crowd.
But fleeing Mexican justice is not a small nor an insignificant matter. Too many scumbags cross into the USA. There are no easy answers IMHO.
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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David K
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My best Mexican friend in Mexico comes here all the time for purchasing supplies and electronics for his business in Mexico. Obviously, he did what
was required to get the visa needed for this.
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sancho
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A few weeks back, standing in the Ped Line coming back
to the US at TJ, was a young guy, Mex National who was
using his new Border crossing card, took him 7 yrs. to
get. No borders, can't get behind that
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apple
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Nye
Keepin up with local border news we see protesters either deported or "anchor baby" now in U.S services webnews afterpost-sayin no amnesty they r the
intuders - so now why again r we here n Baja not
intruding here?
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Can someone please translate that to English for me?
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ateo
I'm for humans being able to traverse borders, and the sharing of cultures. I think the bashing stuff you see on tv and hear on radio is meant to
sell advertising. |
That's a total BS statement Jon and I'm surprised to hear it from you.
There are too many documented incidents of abuse for you to have a closed mind on this subject.
BP agents not charged because the people they killed died in another country, one, unarmed, with six shots IN THE BACK are just two examples. I could
give you two hundred and you know it.
"The addiction to the pleasure and excitement of power and authority is far more heinous to all humans than any drug. Those who exercise their
inimical addiction to power and authority are committing acts of destruction on the entire nation.
Cops are addicted to the (find) they have tunnel vision and get a heavy dopamine and adrenalin rush when they find something in your car or on you.
Like money, drugs or what ever. They are very, very sick people with a need for control and to dominate over any satiation they force themselves
into."
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Bob53
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| Quote: | Originally posted by apple
| Quote: | Originally posted by Nye
Keepin up with local border news we see protesters either deported or "anchor baby" now in U.S services webnews afterpost-sayin no amnesty they r the
intuders - so now why again r we here n Baja not
intruding here?
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Can someone please translate that to English for me? |
haha
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by absinvestor
Based on my limited data it does seem that the US makes it really difficult for Mexicans to visit the US vs the ease Mexico makes it for us. For
example the daughter of a very successful motel/restaurant owner here in Huatabampito was denied a visa because she was single?? Eventually when her
parents decided to visit and they applied as a family she was approved. I know several other legal Mexicans working in the US that have similar
stories where a family member living and working in Mexico (with no desire to relocate to the US) can't can't a visa to visit relatives in the US. We
have to find the answer for illegal immigration but I'm not sure that denying visas to those who want to visit/vacation in the US helps.
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So true.... I know people who have been denied for being single as well, even though they were students or had a good job.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
If you lived near the border or work in the landscape industry, it isn't hard at all to understand why the rules are different for
each country.
Not all, but a large percentage of:
Americans going south into Mexico:
1) Use the legal border crossing
2) Bring enough money or supplies to support themselves in Mexico
3) Bring additional money to spend at Mexican businesses
Mexican going north into the USA:
1) Cross illegally and avoid or attack the border patrol
2) Have little or no money for what they need.
3) Need to work at American businesses to survive and send money back to Mexico.
Not saying I agree or disagree, I am saying the reason why the rules are harder on the good, legal Mexicans... the bad apples spoil it for the good
ones! |
what a BS statement. There are more legal crossers going North than illegal...just sit in line at the border
and I know of more than a few illegal crossers going south (as we all do).
Lets use some common sense here
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