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Mulegena
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All To the Rescue of Mulege Oasis meeting
Since the fires that burned our palm orchards last month there's been a remarkable community effort to restore our natural oasis. We're doing so with
the guidance of state and federal regulatory guidelines including the assessment by CONAFER, the National Forest Commitee.
This just in from committee spokeperson Raffita Romero: ALL MEMBERS AND INTERESTED PERSONS OF THE "ALL TO THE RESCUE OF THE MULEGE OASIS" COMMITTEE:
THERE WILL BE AN INFORMATIVE MEETING THIS COMING MONDAY JUNE 16 AT 7 PM IN THE PATIO OF MINITA'S INTERNET CAFE.
A REPRESENTATIVE OF CONAFOR WILL BRING GOOD NEWS TO OUR OASIS. THE MEETING IS OPEN TO WHOEVER WISHES TO SHARE SUPPORT IN THE RESCUE OF THE OASIS OF
MULEGÉ.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I hope there is a good turnout....please keep us posted on the good news!
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BajaBlanca
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Now that sounds like an important meeting. Best of luck.
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willyAirstream
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Everyday since the fire, there has been at least 50 people , all volunteers, cleaning up. A local rancho donated his dump truck to our group for dump
runs. Ladies are bringing sweets and water to the volunteers. It is a huge continuing effort, palm frong by palm frong. Mulege is a proud pueblo.
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805gregg
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I hope you get the fronds also
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willyAirstream
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The cocoa palm trees ,{ less than 20% of the palms?}are being trimmed for free as these frongs are valuable. Several people have paid for small areas
of the date palms to be trimmed and hauled off to the dump, except the green ones which are gathered for cow feed.
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Udo
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Don't they use the dead one to make palapas?
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Mulegena
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I attended the meeting on Monday night along with other concerned citizens of Mulege.
Various agencies were represented including people from San Ignacio. It was noted that we three areas of Baja Sur, the populated natural oasis of
Mulege, San Ignacio and Todo Santos, all face similar dangers and, therefore, solutions.
Maintenance of the palm forests is essential. The areas that are in the Federal Zone are being cleaned and will be maintained. Still to be addressed
are the larger privately-owned palm groves. Ideas as to how to upgrade them into working, productive orchards that would generate economic stimulus
was discussed. It was reported how San Ignacio is recovering from their fires and how the community responded to the fires which did burn several
homes there.
It was noted that upgrading the available fire-fighting equipment is very desirable and will be addressed along with implementing a working
community-based action plan.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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cocoscabana
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Udo...having lived on a beach, we have watched many palapas being built and rebuilt.
The green fronds are used. First they are soaked in the sea water to ?strengthen? them, then they are used green and nailed and wired to the
framework. The construction process in itself is a work of art. If you look carefully at the thatching, you will be able to differentiate between
good construction and bad. Some construction uses the fronds closer together.
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Udo
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Yes, cocos...I HAVE seen palapas being constructed different ways. I wish I could talk the person who built Osprey's palapa patio in La Ribera to make
a trip to Bahia Asunciòn. George has the best palapa I have ever seen!
That roof will go through a hurricane.
Perhaps there is a great palapa builder in Santa Rosalia or San Ignacio that would be willing to make the trip to BA.
So far I can't even get anyone to help align my DIRECTV dish to come to BA.
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ElCap
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Fronds from Fan Palms are used for the thatch of palapas, while the long rigid stipes of Date Palm fronds are often used for the longitudinal
framework of palapas. There are a few good palapa builders in San Ignacio, but it is a dying profession. As evidenced in the latest Mulege and San
Ignacio fires, palapa structures are highly flammable.
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElCap
Fronds from Fan Palms are used for the thatch of palapas, while the long rigid stipes of Date Palm fronds are often used for the longitudinal
framework of palapas. There are a few good palapa builders in San Ignacio, but it is a dying profession. As evidenced in the latest Mulege and San
Ignacio fires, palapa structures are highly flammable. |
What palapa structures do you refer to in reference
to the recent fire in Mulege palm forests?
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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chuckie
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I believe there were none..Didnt Mulege rule sometime ago against new construction of thatch roofs?
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Mulegena
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by ElCap
Fronds from Fan Palms are used for the thatch of palapas... As evidenced in the latest Mulege and San Ignacio fires, palapa structures are highly
flammable. |
What palapa structures do you refer to in reference to the recent fire in Mulege palm forests?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
I believe there were none..Didnt Mulege rule sometime ago against new construction of thatch roofs? |
I don't
know, but I'll ask around and get back with that answer-- and also find out if the structures that did burn in Mulege's fire were made of palm or
roofed in palm thatch.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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ElCap
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I apologize, thought I remembered seeing photos of burning structures with palapa roofs from the recent Mulege fires. We lost some palapa structures
ourselves in San Ignacio in a fire in Aug. 2010, but were luckily spared in the recent fires last month. I guess my point is, which few would argue
with, is that palapa roofs are highly flammable!
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Mulegena
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No doubt palapa housing and palm roofs are flammable.
There was a smaller fire of some isolated houses in a private orchard near town a few years ago, back about 2006 or '07. They burned up... or down...
whichever-- they be gone!
I believe the two tourist zone neighborhoods of Oasis Rio Baja and Huerta Saucedo do not allow construction with palm roofs. Nomads from either of
those 'hoods can clarify this. I've got a call in to find about the most recent fire and about the municipal building code. Will update.
Interesting discussion. Thank, everyone.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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tiotomasbcs
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Todos Santos has suffered thru a few past years of Palm Grove Fires. We have many. Teens and Firebugs have been responsible! along with homeless.
Cabo and La Paz FD came to help out as it almost entered town! Tio
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mtnpop
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Gotta love looking at the palapa roof houses with the pvc pipe and the lawn sprinkler heads lined up on the ridge...
Let's see, gotta have someone there at the right time to turn them on and hope that SAPA didn't turn off the water that day..
If you have witnessed a palm fire those dry fronds go up in seconds...
Having witnessed both palm fires and pine forest fires I lean to the palm fires being hotter and burning faster...
Of course those lawn sprinklers may allow you to get insurance and if they give you peace of mind these are a big plus ?????
We live in a wild, wacky world we do.....
Common sense is a flower that doesn\'t grow in everyone\'s garden.....
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mtnpop
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
No doubt palapa housing and palm roofs are flammable.
There was a smaller fire of some isolated houses in a private orchard near town a few years ago, back about 2006 or '07. They burned up... or down...
whichever-- they be gone!
I believe the two tourist zone neighborhoods of Oasis Rio Baja and Huerta Saucedo do not allow construction with palm roofs. Nomads from either of
those 'hoods can clarify this. I've got a call in to find about the most recent fire and about the municipal building code. Will update.
Interesting discussion. Thank, everyone. |
It is our understanding that Leon the owner in the Oasis does not allow palm roofs.... Saucedo "the orchard" does not allow new either and the
CC&R's specify when the when the life of the roof is gone they are to be replaced with some type of tile "nonflammable roofing"
Common sense is a flower that doesn\'t grow in everyone\'s garden.....
A wise man once spoke nothing.....
Never kick a cow chip on a hot day!!
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Mulegena
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In answer to the mini-thread within this thread...
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by Mulegena
| Quote: | Originally posted by ElCap
Fronds from Fan Palms are used for the thatch of palapas... As evidenced in the latest Mulege and San Ignacio fires, palapa structures are highly
flammable. |
What palapa structures do you refer to in reference to the recent fire in Mulege palm forests?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by chuckie
I believe there were none..Didnt Mulege rule sometime ago against new construction of thatch roofs? |
I don't
know, but I'll ask around and get back with that answer-- and also find out if the structures that did burn in Mulege's fire were made of palm or
roofed in palm thatch. |
Here's the scoop on the recent Palm fire in Mulege 2014:
There were three houses burned.
One was concrete and had a wood roof with synthetic tile overlay (called maxi-teja).
The other two houses were wooden with palapa roofs-- you are correct, ElCap, and get the gold star for the day!
There is no building code prohibiting construction with palms in town.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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