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DanO
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Shakedowns of Canadians transiting the U.S. to Baja?
Some rather shocking information and statistics in this CBC piece. It'd be interesting to know whether any Nomads have experienced this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t...
I have no idea about the reliability of the CBC. Maybe the Canadian Nomads can chime in on that.
\"Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.\" -- Frank Zappa
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monoloco
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They do it to Americans everyday, why would they treat Canadians any differently?
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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bajaguy
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Mood: must be 5 O'clock somewhere in Baja
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Keep your money in the bank and use ATM's
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bill erhardt
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In Mexico it is mordida. In the U S it is civil forfeiture. In Mexico local cops get a few pesos. In the U S civil forfeiture has ballooned into a
hustle that nets hundreds of millions of dollars a year for enterprising police. The Washington Post is currently running an expose and legislation
has been proposed in Congress to curb, or at least control, the practice.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/st...
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mtgoat666
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popo are out of control. civil forfeiture, license to steal. arming of popo with military weapons and assault vehicles. popo gunning down citizens
left and right, license to kill. i dont trust any of them anymore.
did you hear the latest? the san diego unified school district police got an MRAP armored vehicle. WTF?
[Edited on 9-12-2014 by mtgoat666]
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ncampion
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Our government, at all levels, is completely out of control. Law abiding citizens get shaken down while criminals run free. Glad I live in Mexico.
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liknbaja127
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Is that thing for real? OMG, School nothing like it use to be
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Tioloco
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I hope that MRAP is a gag.
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Cisco
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Here are a few I grabbed quickly out of one or two files.
Regarding the militarization of police this is a direct result of manufacturers lobbying to get more product manufactured.
This stuff has been all over OT for the last few months. One post was a sheriff in a county of 14,000 people amid the corn fields of Nabraska who has
over eight million dollars worth of gear from armored vehicles to bayonets. And he's paranoid?
Authorities seize Philadelphia couple’s home following son’s first drug offense
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/sourovelis-family-forfeit...
Government seizes elderly woman’s savings when she tries to fly with cash
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/victoria-faren-forfeiture...
The FAIR Act: New bill aims to reign in policing for profit
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/the-fair-act/
South Carolina cops seize heaps of cash during annual enforcement blitz
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/south-carolina-rolling-th...
Civil Liberties
AlterNet / By Steven Rosenfeld
Comments
The Shocking Militarization of America's Police Finally Catches the Interest of the US Senate
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/shocking-militarizat...
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Ateo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tioloco
I hope that MRAP is a gag. |
It's legit. $700,000. They got it for free. We all paid for it.
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Tioloco
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San Diego school district has their own police force?
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Cisco
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Roughly one-third of the Pentagon weaponry transferred to local police was unused or almost new, McCaskill said, which raised questions about why the
military is buying supplies it is almost immediately giving away. If the gear wasn’t provided free, then grants from the Homeland Security and Justice
Departments helped to pay for it.
Estevez, the Pentagon’s Principal Deputy Under-Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics, told the senators the giveaway program
was designed for “good stewardship.” He said more than 8,000 of the country’s 17,000 local police agencies participate in the program, which has
provided more than $5.1 billion “in property” since 1997. Governors' offices make the requests, Estevez said, adding, “The Department of Defense does
not have the expertise in police force functions and cannot assess how equipment is used in the possession of local law enforcement agencies.”
In the past 12 months, of the 1.9 million pieces of equipment given away, 78,000 were military-grade arms or “controlled property,” Estevez said. “Law
enforcement agencies currently possess 460,000 pieces of controlled property that they have received over time." Examples of controlled property
include over 92,000 small arms, 44,000 night-vision devices, 5,200 high-mobility multi-purpose vehicles or Humvees, and 617 mine-resistant ambush
protected vehicles, or MRAPS. The Department does not provide tanks, grenade launchers, sniper rifles, current service weapons or uniforms, he said.
(His numbers slightly differed from figures cited by McCaskill.)
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Whale-ista
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Are they talking about asset forfeiture? This has been a problem for years. Here's a recent news report:
http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-32135-oregon_police_recei...
| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
Some rather shocking information and statistics in this CBC piece. It'd be interesting to know whether any Nomads have experienced this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t...
I have no idea about the reliability of the CBC. Maybe the Canadian Nomads can chime in on that. |
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Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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m923a1
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My first post. Maybe not a good way to introduce myself, but seriously, 62K of these types of interdictions/confiscations in 13 years? That's less
than 400 per MONTH in a country of over 250 million people. And 200 per month of them got their money back! Oh, and I like the quote "...on roadways
and elsewhere." I'd say the story is a greatly sensationalized.
I don't think you have much to worry about on your drive from Canada to Mexico.
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Tioloco
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I would agree you probably don't have much to worry about...... Unless one of those 400 that month is you. Wrong is wrong and overreach is overreach.
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by m923a1
My first post. Maybe not a good way to introduce myself, but seriously, 62K of these types of interdictions/confiscations in 13 years? That's less
than 400 per MONTH in a country of over 250 million people. And 200 per month of them got their money back! Oh, and I like the quote "...on roadways
and elsewhere." I'd say the story is a greatly sensationalized.
I don't think you have much to worry about on your drive from Canada to Mexico. |
Stick 5 or $6K or whatever is a fair amount of money to you up under the dash and see what you physical reaction will be when you are pulled over
anywhere in the U.S. between Canada and Mexico.
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Tioloco
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Seems as though most people in favor of this type of seizure don't have the means or understanding to ever be in a position to carry sums of cash. It
is nobody's bizness how much cash u carry.
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Tioloco
Seems as though most people in favor of this type of seizure don't have the means or understanding to ever be in a position to carry sums of cash. It
is nobody's bizness how much cash u carry. |
I'm missing something here TL.
"Seems as though most people in favor of this type of seizure". Who is in favor of this type of seizure other than law enforcement?
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m923a1
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I guess what I'm getting at is that as an Americano and one who likes to travel to Mexico, I get upset with the hype and sensationalism that we all
hear in the US media about how dangerous things are in Mexico. This news story is the same type of sensationalism, but in reverse.
And by way of introduction, I have taken my young family of 7 kids to Mexico (mainland and Baja) on several occasions, and we've never felt unsafe.
My grandparents and several cousins have been driving down to Mazatlan for Christmas for over 30 years. My next trip to Baja Sur will be just my wife
and I by motorcycle. Something we've wanted to do for a couple of years.
And finally, if you are Canadian, and will be driving through where I live, along the shores of the Great Salt Lake, I would recommend that you ignore
the advice of that story, and bring along an air freshener.
--George
[Edited on 9-12-2014 by m923a1]
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Tioloco
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Cisco
There are many folks who think these seizures are a good tactic by police. It is usually tied back into the terrorism mantra.
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