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StraighouttaOside
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San Juanico in Danger again.....
Just thought that I should share this. I wish that I could make it to the meeting this Wednesday but just can't swing it. Bajanomads show up in force
if you can!!
http://www.savethewaves.org/news/update-phosphate-mining-thr...
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rts551
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good luck. Its an uphill battle..and some feel that Mother Nature can take care of herself.
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Ateo
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Love the name StraightouttaOside!
Thanks for the link. Not sure where I stand.
[Edited on 11-4-2014 by Ateo]
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
good luck. Its an uphill battle..and some feel that Mother Nature can take care of herself. |
She will....in the form of another hurricane running up the west coast of Baja..laying waste to an offshore rig.
Wait for her. She is coming. All good things take time.
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805gregg
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It's Mexico money talks, talk to the rich surfers?
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rts551
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Straight
I live in Abreojos and have not heard any about this. To help me along, what evidence (factual studies) do you have that this dredging will impact
the ecosystem...especially to your North...the Estuaries for the whales and the coast lines of lobster and Abalone.
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Sweetwater
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The project proposes using marine dredges to a) dredge phosphatic sand from the ocean floor and b) prepare it for transport using a desalination
barge. The work area is located 12 miles from the nearest point to the coast and adjacent to the fishing area called San Juanico.
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All things being equal, I see this as an alarmist posting that doesn't deal with the reality of a dredging/barge operation. And as this type of
operation is weather sensitive, it certainly won't be conducted 24/7. Let's focus on reality rather than reactionism.....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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wilderone
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I emailed josecarlos.cota@semarnat.gob.mx to express my views.
Their EIA states, among other points:
No testing to remote coastal areas has been determined. Due to the water depth and environmental considerations, there is minimal vegetation in this
area.
[So too are the flats of Florida. Barracuda, shark, rays, crabs, halibut, etc, etc. require minimal vegetation.]
Seabed sediments are removed by a process similar to a vacuum cleaner . . and removed sediments to a depth of 30-60 cm. repeated dredging . . . can
result in a lowering of the seabed by 5 m or more.
The direct impacts of dredging on the seabed include potential impacts on seabed organisms. Few if any of the seabed organisms that are removed in
the path of the draghead are likely to survive the dredging process. 60-80% of the benthic fauna are removed.
[How can this be a good thing?]
Once the cargo hold is filled, overflow from spillways enters the water, in a dispersing plume below the surface where plankton occurs.
[And flows where? Into what current? Taking deposits where? To settle on what distant ecosystem?]
I only read a few pages. By any interpretation, it is a drastic disturbance to a BAY - most of the bay - which is a special geographic consideration
on its own.
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woody with a view
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but it is 12 miles from land! I highly doubt that the currents flow right into 3rd point from 12 miles out.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
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The project proposes using marine dredges to a) dredge phosphatic sand from the ocean floor and b) prepare it for transport using a desalination
barge. The work area is located 12 miles from the nearest point to the coast and adjacent to the fishing area called San Juanico.
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All things being equal, I see this as an alarmist posting that doesn't deal with the reality of a dredging/barge operation. And as this type of
operation is weather sensitive, it certainly won't be conducted 24/7. Let's focus on reality rather than reactionism..... |
actually, these large dredges do operate 24/7/365 without a care for weather. only a hurricane or maintenance would cause them to stop for a few
days.
full scale seabed mining of phosphate has not been done. people have proposed this in namibia and new zealand, and got shut out by local opposition.
now they are trying to trick mexico into allowing their environment to be guinea pig.
the miners will tell you the sea floor is dead zone. it's actually an ecosystem with sparse macroscopic fauna and flora, it is still an ecosystem,
despite the apparent sparseness of flora and fauna.
the dredging will in fact destroy the seabed ecology at the dredging locations. the plume of sediment from dredge output will make local water column
hostile to pelagic sea life. the effects on the environment are very large. one has to really consider if the economic benefits of mining outweigh
the ecosystem destruction. the miners are hoping that being far offshore at depth makes their ruins "invisible." they are right, out of sight, out
of mind.
i hope the fishermen are vocal and powerful enough to win against the power brokers in DF.
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DaliDali
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NEVER EVER take the word of a radical extremist on either side of an issue.
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wilderone
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Facts are facts.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/2550065-local-government-fis...
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DaliDali
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Could be, but when it wants me to register to keep reading....see ya!!
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motoged
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Sand Wars
Watch this:
https://www.knowledge.ca/program/sand-wars
Don't believe everything you think....
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woody with a view
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52 minutes?
can you summarize, Ged?
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
52 minutes?
can you summarize, Ged? |
Okay, Woody.....since you haven't taken your Ritalin this morning....
The planet has a limited storage of resources. Unlike Walmart, when the shelf is empty, there is no resupply truck around the corner !
Sand is being dredged around the planet for various reasons (e. g. tourist beaches and mineral extraction). It is causing significant damage to the
ecology around the planet. Some folks see the inherent dangers in this short-sighted and "greedy" practice.
Get a 6-pack of some nice Indian Pale Ale and watch the video with some friends.....it's worth an hour of your collective time.
A well-made documentary that tells us stuff that we likely were unaware of.
P.S. The T-shirts fit and are way cool 
Don't believe everything you think....
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BajaBlanca
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WECOME to the club, straight.
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bajaspuds
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Don Diego sounds like a bad idea in any language
this story link goes to the la paz news site:
http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/don-diego-un-proyecto-de-mineria-m...
... dripping w/ chubasco sauce
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merlin
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I'm going. At the very least, I'm hoping to learn something.
12 miles out is way too close!
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dtbushpilot
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Looks like Oside threw a pork chop in the middle of a pack of poodles and split..
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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