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BajaCactus
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Fuel prices for December 2014...
New fuel prices starting on December 6th, 2014...
Magna.............$ 13.31 pesos per liter
Premium..........$ 14.11 pesos per liter
Diesel..............$ 13.94 pesos per liter
These prices are in liters... since 1 gallon = 3.7854 liters and today (December 5th, 2014) 1 dollar = $13.00 pesos (+/-), we can calculate the
approximate price per gallon:
Magna.............$ 3.875 dollars per gallon
Premium..........$ 4.108 dollars per gallon
Diesel..............$ 4.059 dollars per gallon
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Hook
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You wouldnt believe how full the municipal buses are now in Guaymas. Only rich Mexicans and gringos can afford this.
My Jeep Wrangler used to cost right at 500 pesos to fill when I moved down here in 2008. Yesterday I got 850 pesos in it.
Thanks for posting this, Antonio.
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DaliDali
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Mr. Antonio aka Baja Cactus
Can you explain to us why it is that when world oil/gas prices are dropping quickly, the price of Pemex fuel is constantly increasing?
Is Mexico crude oil not a part of world oil markets and does not have to compete with other oil producing nations worldwide?
Respectfully.......dalidali
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Casey67
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Hook, the Pemex on HWY1 in Mulege could probably get 1100 pesos of gas into your Jeep  They managed to get 1400 pesos into my minivan once, and I can fill it in town or Loreto for 850-900.
Sooo, 3.875 + ~20% shortage = $4.65 a gallon converted to CDN$ gives you $5.32 a gallon, or $1.40 a litre. Right now in Vancouver it's $1.15 a litre,
sheesh.
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Regular was $2.99/gallon in San Ysidro today, Friday 12/05. Can't remember the last time I saw gas that cheap.
[Edited on 12-6-2014 by WhackAMolE]
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akshadow
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Government fixed pricing
We benefited when the government held the price below market prices and gasoline and diesel were cheaper in Mexico than in California. Since price
did not follow market before why should we expect it to follow market prices now?
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Tioloco
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Good point AK.
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Hook
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Quote: Originally posted by akshadow  | | We benefited when the government held the price below market prices and gasoline and diesel were cheaper in Mexico than in California. Since price
did not follow market before why should we expect it to follow market prices now? |
Because when the pricing subsidy was lifted and the government decided to increase fuels by 0.1 peso per liter per month, it was stated that it would
do this until it reached a true market pricing level.
Well, the true market pricing of gasoline is well below these levels.
But, as we all know, the Mexican govt needs Pemex income to run the country. That's why they are artificially high. It's a monopoly and they can price
it where they want.
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Y'all please note, the huge improvements to Hwy 1 are not paved by sales tax on groceries. Enjoy those shoulders, where the semi's can ride far right
on the uphill, and you can actually SEE surrounding countryside for part of the trip. Too bad the peckerhead with the grocery cart wasn't paying his
fair share. But, i'm sure he made up for it by telling his stories around the campfires while bumming his free meals along the way.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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BajaCactus
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Fuel prices compared to worldwide prices...
Dalidali,
The answer to your question is very complex and I am not sure even I fully understand it since it depend in the global market fluctuations. However
the two main reasons why fuel in Mexico keeps increasing are:
1.- Even though Mexico has its own crude oil, Pemex does not have the capacity to refine it into usable fuel, therefore it has to pay other countries
like the US and Japan to refine it for them, therefore making it much more expensive to produce fuel than if it had its own refineries in Mexico.
2.- The second reason, which I believe is the main one, is that over 70% of the final price to the public of fuel are taxes, not the real cost of
producing it. Therefore what we are really seeing increase month by month are really taxes that go directly to the federal government.
There are many other factors, but I believe these are the main ones that impact the cost of fuel in Mexico.
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BajaCactus: Thank you for that reply. Presumably some of those taxes are earmarked for transportation projects that benefit tourism, commerce etc.
While oil prices may fluctuate on the global market, taxes imposed by different states/countries also impact actual cost per liter or gallon.
Another post mentions how recent Baja highway improvements are funded via taxes on gas. This is the same in the US and for decades gas taxes have
funded interstate highway construction and maintenance. (Ironically as vehicles become more fuel efficient these funds have declined.)
\"Probably the airplanes will bring week-enders from Los Angeles before long, and the beautiful poor bedraggled old town will bloom with a
Floridian ugliness.\" (John Steinbeck, 1940, discussing the future of La Paz, BCS, Mexico)
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaCactus | Dalidali,
The answer to your question is very complex and I am not sure even I fully understand it since it depend in the global market fluctuations. However
the two main reasons why fuel in Mexico keeps increasing are:
1.- Even though Mexico has its own crude oil, Pemex does not have the capacity to refine it into usable fuel, therefore it has to pay other countries
like the US and Japan to refine it for them, therefore making it much more expensive to produce fuel than if it had its own refineries in Mexico.
2.- The second reason, which I believe is the main one, is that over 70% of the final price to the public of fuel are taxes, not the real cost of
producing it. Therefore what we are really seeing increase month by month are really taxes that go directly to the federal government.
There are many other factors, but I believe these are the main ones that impact the cost of fuel in Mexico.
BajaCactus |
Thank you Baja Cactus.....
Can you say with any certainty how the refined fuels from Mexican crude get to Baja California?
Are there pipelines from the San Diego/Mexicali area supplying Northern Baja or is it all brought across with fuel tanker trucks?
Or shipped via ocean tanker ship and off loaded at the Rosarito Beach tank farm facility?
How far south, in Baja CA, does the refined gasoline/diesel fuels reach, if brought in from the northern border with the USA, either by pipeline,
tanker truck or ocean tanker ships?
In Baja Sur, (Guerrero Negro on down) how do they get their refined product? Is there even a "cut off" line where the supply tanker trucks stay either
north or south of?
Does it come up from the Port of Pichilingue in La Paz or from the Port of San Carlos (Pacific Side) in tanker trucks or both?
And does the Port of San Carlos get the refined product via tanker ships from the USA or Japan or both?
About the ultra low sulfur diesel fuels, does or can the USA side refineries have the ability to ship either ULS diesel or the less highly refined low
sulfur blend on demand?
Would you know if the refined diesel product, that is brought in from Japan, is of the ULS blend type.....assuming that Japan even exports diesel
fuels?
Respectfully.......dali dali
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so many questions...so little time
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What is the diesel price doing in the US ??
And how does the price there compare to Baja price ??
sold out and got out !!!
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David K
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Not sure on diesel, but I can tell you many stations in San Diego County are now below $3 for regular. $2.85 at Costco and ARCO stations yesterday.
Diesel and Premium had been close in price, so under $3.50/ gallon would be possible?
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Fuel from the north only comes down the peninsula as far as El Rosario, which would be Baja Cactus. Beyond that, the fuel is transported from the
terminal at La Paz (Pichilingue). So imagine a system where the government sets the prices of fuel, of taxes, and does all of this with no
refineries, and you get the very high cost of fuel that we are now experiencing. For all of those who think this is terrible for the tourists who
grumble a little, imagine what the locals are doing to try to cope. I had a friend with me the other day and he almost passed out when I filled my
truck to the tune of $1500 which looked like an "Impossible Dream" where he usually does 20-50 pesos at a time, when he can.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: Originally posted by Pescador | | Fuel from the north only comes down the peninsula as far as El Rosario, which would be Baja Cactus. Beyond that, the fuel is transported from the
terminal at La Paz (Pichilingue). So imagine a system where the government sets the prices of fuel, of taxes, and does all of this with no
refineries, and you get the very high cost of fuel that we are now experiencing. For all of those who think this is terrible for the tourists who
grumble a little, imagine what the locals are doing to try to cope. I had a friend with me the other day and he almost passed out when I filled my
truck to the tune of $1500 which looked like an "Impossible Dream" where he usually does 20-50 pesos at a time, when he can. |
Do you happen to know how that fuel gets to Baja from the USA?
Pipeline, tanker truck or by tanker ship, to the Rosarito Beach tank farms and then out from there?
If what Baja Cactus has to say about the taxes on fuel is correct, it seems 70% of the cost per liter is a massive hit for locals and tourists alike
who use fuel, even by California standards.
Parlay that tax with the recently implemented 16% VAT in all of Baja, someone could be flush with tax pesos.
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bajabuddha
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Dali, no offense meant; your questions for BC are a little over-the-top; he's a station owner. It's like asking a grocer what pesticides were
specifically used on his tomatoes and the exact watering schedule, and how they were shipped from field to warehouse.
Suffice it to say it's tax moneys for certain, and it's in Mexico. California's 'standards' have nothing to do with it. Yes, someone IS flush with
tax pesos, or not. Guess you'll just have to pay it.... or not. As Pescador says, the locals are the ones hurting the most. They put in what they
can, when they can, and walk.... a lot.
Timo:
Diesel in the western US (according to gasbuddy.com) is running a little over a buck a gallon compared to regular; highway stations in AZ about
$2.30/gal at present, 20-50 cents flux depending on location. Some diesel as high as $3.79 - $4.
I don't have a BUCKET LIST, but I do have a F***- IT LIST a mile long!
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| Quote: Originally posted by Timo1 | What is the diesel price doing in the US ??
And how does the price there compare to Baja price ?? |
to answer your question....$3.25 in Tucson.
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Just my dos centavos, re: "Baja highway improvements are funded via taxes on gas"
It is my understanding that the cost you pay when you get a tourist visa is supposed to be for highway improvements (probably among other things as
well).
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