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Is Laguna Percebu going to share the same fate
And how will this affect our estuaries.. I don't know if anyone has looked at this yet.
http://www.reuters.com/video/2014/11/20/where-the-sea-is-clo...
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Sucks for those poor folks in Alaska. Should not be a problem at Percebu. Well documented that the sea of Cortez has not risen one bit in the last 40+
years. If you search on this forum you can find the peer reviewed studies that were done by the resident climate expert. All very well documented and
backed up with solid science. Just a bunch of rich gringos there anyways, right? 
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Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  | | Sucks for those poor folks in Alaska. Should not be a problem at Percebu. Well documented that the sea of Cortez has not risen one bit in the last 40+
years. If you search on this forum you can find the peer reviewed studies that were done by the resident climate expert. All very well documented and
backed up with solid science. Just a bunch of rich gringos there anyways, right? |
I used to be swayed by science......but the deniers are pretty convincing
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While we now know that Percebu is risk free, (some one told us so) What about some of the other areas. Magdalena Bay, Estero Coyote, Estero La
Bocana. ? La Paz Bay? I wonder what is in store for them. Will the water rise enough to destroy the land masses that protect these estuaries?
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The issue has been "looked at." But best to not discuss it on this forum, as the denialists will show up and drown out the conversation with their
shouting that it's all a pack of lies, a conspiracy hatched by by al gore to fleece people thru new taxes. The denialists are mostly liars, but a few
are fools that believe the lies.
Peace out!
Perecebu waterfront is probably an ok purchase. Those shacks are cheap, the land is leased, and you won't loose much when your depreciated shack
washes out to sea. Enjoy it while you can, and don't get too attached to it!
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At least at places like Percebu, there is a place to go - inland. The problem with these people on the Alaska island, they don't want to go to the
mainland. My take-away with the film was, why millions of federal dollars spent trying to tame Mother Nature? They probably could have given each
resident $300,000 to relocate if they chose. Plenty of open land in Alaska. If they want to go down with the ship - their personal choice. You gotta
weigh cost-benefit as a matter of common sense.
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Do you guys know the story of Chicken Little?
Here is the intro from Wiki:
Henny Penny, more commonly known as Chicken Little and sometimes as Chicken Licken, is a folk tale with a moral in the form of a cumulative tale about
a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end. The phrase "The sky is falling!" features prominently in the story, and has passed into the
English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. Versions of the story go back more than 25
centuries; it continues to be referenced in a variety of media.
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[As much as you want to believe the media and politicians, I suggest you trust your own eyes first. If you can go to the same street or road or rocky
shore next to the high tide line 40-50 years ago, and still do so today, the amount or rate of sea level change isn't a crisis. IF it is rising, there
is still NOTHING you can do to change it, like the other animals of the world, you adapt to the earth. The earth doesn't adapt to you, nor are you so
mighty that you can change the earth.]
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Do you guys know the story of Chicken Little?
Here is the intro from Wiki:
Henny Penny, more commonly known as Chicken Little and sometimes as Chicken Licken, is a folk tale with a moral in the form of a cumulative tale about
a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end. The phrase "The sky is falling!" features prominently in the story, and has passed into the
English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent. Versions of the story go back more than 25
centuries; it continues to be referenced in a variety of media.
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[As much as you want to believe the media and politicians, I suggest you trust your own eyes first. If you can go to the same street or road or rocky
shore next to the high tide line 40-50 years ago, and still do so today, the amount or rate of sea level change isn't a crisis. IF it is rising, there
is still NOTHING you can do to change it, like the other animals of the world, you adapt to the earth. The earth doesn't adapt to you, nor are you so
mighty that you can change the earth.] |
Is this from the same person that told you CR is on the take? I believe there are enough measurements on sea level rising out there that if you laid
eyes on them you would change your mind...of course there is always the story of the head in the sand...or in some cases head up their arse.
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Back to the post...What do your think is going to happen to the estuaries of BCS. They are wildlife wonders.
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | While we now know that Percebu is risk free, (some one told us so) What about some of the other areas. Magdalena Bay, Estero Coyote, Estero La
Bocana. ? La Paz Bay? I wonder what is in store for them. Will the water rise enough to destroy the land mburros that protect these estuaries?
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Who? I don't stay at Percebu and haven't camped there since one time in 1966 (oh, and where I camped is still the same height above sea level).
I grew up in a house on the beach in Del Mar CA... just a few feet higher than sea level... the street I lived on in 1957-1964 is still a few feet
higher than sea level, 57 years later!
Bahia Concepcion and the pre-1970 main Baja road to La Paz there splashed into the water at high tide in a couple places... and it still does today...
rocky road bed not moving sand.
Those are the two places I base my observations of relative sea level on, two places 800 miles apart. In some places the land is sinking due to plate
tectonics or soil degradation, like coral or volcanic islands, so be careful where you see claims of sea level rising since sea level is the basis for
measuring elevation and doesn't rise in just one place and not all over... unless you want to claim gravity is different in the paces the ocean is
higher!?
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| Quote: Originally posted by rts551 | | Back to the post...What do your think is going to happen to the estuaries of BCS. They are wildlife wonders. |
As the sea rises it covers new areas creating new estuaries....
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 AND the animals are smart enough to move if they need to!
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The video wasn't about sea levels rising but land thawing out and sinking . The sea levels are falling in Alaska and BC or I suspect the land is
rising.
see map here, http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html
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A different more scientific approach
http://cal-adapt.org/sealevel/
http://pacinst.org/publication/the-impacts-of-sea-level-rise...
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/08/21/3474061/californ...
I can find very little on Baja but one can assume the same coastline will have the same impacts.
and lots more....
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Great Map!!!
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True where the permafrost is melting the ground is sinking.
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Thanks David. I will take that as your agreement. It shows rising sea levels on the entire California california coast
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No, take it for what I said: Great Map. I love maps and ones that illustrate well what they are meant to. I don't only like things or people that
agree with my politics. I have many liberal friends, and I even tried being friendly to you and Diana T years ago.
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from the same site.
Just as the surface of the Earth is not flat, the surface of the oceans is also not flat, and this sea surface is not changing at the same rate
globally. For instance, it is known that the absolute water level height is higher along the West Coast of the United States than the East Coast.
However, publications often refer to Global Sea Level, or the average height of all the Earth's oceans. "Global Sea Level Rise" refers to the increase
currently observed in the average Global Sea Level Trend, which is primarily attributed to changes in ocean volume due to two factors: ice melt and
thermal expansion. Melting of glaciers and continental ice masses, such as the Greenland ice sheet, which are linked to changes in atmospheric
temperature, can contribute significant amounts of freshwater input to the Earth's oceans. Additionally, a steady increase in global atmospheric
temperature creates an expansion of saline sea water (i.e., salt water) molecules (called thermal expansion), thereby increasing ocean volume. The
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Report estimates that the global sea level rise was approximately 1.7-1.8 millimeters per year
(mm/yr) over the past century (IPCC, 2007), based on tide station measurements around the world, with projected increased trends in sea level in the
20th Century based on global climate models.
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Can't wait to get out and fish all those new reefs....
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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