pelone
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It is time for a reality check. If you are listing your house under VRBO, do not think for a moment that the Mexican government is not aware of it.
The "good old days" are in the past and hoteliers and owners who are playing by the rules know that the Mexican government is being ripped off. If
their hotels are going without lodgers and local houses are occupied by renters whose agents or themselves are not filing facturas---there is a dark
cloud on the horizon.
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UnoMas
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Not only VRBO but all rental properties! In these small villages the locals know who are renting their houses and just a matter of time before the
hammer comes down on them too. They are also going after the ones who charter their boats. If you were in a competing business would you not do the
same... 
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Lengua
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So why are you guys saying this? did you get some information ?are you aware of a crackdown or what?
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gnukid
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There are minimum limits to earnings for tax payers, and those who do not earn nor meet limits are not required to file. Being listed on VRBO is not
indication of requirement to file nor pay taxes.
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pelone
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Gnukid----those who use VRBO and do business in Mexico are under an obligation to pay 16 percent lodging tax and another 3 percent tax as income. If
you are not doing this and think that you are under the radar, you are wrong. Owners of hotels are seeing that their rooms are going empty and the
villages are full of visitors. Would you not be angry that those who do not play by the rules are prospering? Same with taking "friends" fishing and
taking business from the local fishermen.
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gnukid
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I do not rent out, nor do know people who do except all the mexican people. Though I do know general law. It is my understanding that one must exceed
a minimum income in order to be required to file and pay tax, unless you are extranero temporal residente with RFC business. Perhaps you are temporal
residente, or mexican with high rental? Good for you for being such a devout advocate for the government. You should run seminars.
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norte
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Thanks for your input Pelone. People should follow the law.
Get ready for all the instant experts who will attack...Because they "know general law".
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durrelllrobert
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You mean the Feds are watching this guy?
Quote: Originally posted by pelone  | | It is time for a reality check. If you are listing your house under VRBO, do not think for a moment that the Mexican government is not aware of it.
The "good old days" are in the past and hoteliers and owners who are playing by the rules know that the Mexican government is being ripped off. If
their hotels are going without lodgers and local houses are occupied by renters whose agents or themselves are not filing facturas---there is a dark
cloud on the horizon. |
Bob Durrell
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gnukid
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What about that guy that tries to collect a few pesos when you visit some remote beach, that's something Pelone and Norte should pursue too. They
refuse to give facturas?
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gnukid
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Here are the income reporting guidelines from SRE for extraneros. that states 210,300Mn is the threshold for reportable income.
Perhaps Pelone/Norte can post a link to the tax laws he is referencing?
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Bob and Susan
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i agree all rental owners should add tax to their rates and pay the taxes...get a business license for their town and a tax ID
I dis-agree that its VRBO that's emptying the hotels...
loreto is over-built for the amount of tourists that visit
re: too many hotel rooms
actually VRBO and AirBB bring money to your city...
just not to the hotels
but these people are not YOUR market pelone they wouldn't stay in your hotel anyway
the ONLY way to fill the hotel rooms in this economy is to make it CHEAP to get to loreto
lower airfares is a start...
gas prices lower than the USA
lower car rentals
better roads
better hotels in between loreto and the border
you HAVE to get to loreto to spend money there
and the place you stay has to be a destination not just a bed
what happened to the promotion of sport fishing in loreto
today...none
no more promotion of buying houses either
you never see anything about fishing charters out of loreto anymore
fishermen bring money to the town...
so the hotels are "dead" because there is no advertising pushing people to visit loreto
it's really not VRBO emptying the hotels but the people in loreto who don't promote it
whining never gets anything done...you need to go out of the box to fill the hotels
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by gnukid | Here are the income reporting guidelines from SRE for extraneros. that states 210,300Mn is the threshold for reportable income.
Perhaps Pelone/Norte can post a link to the tax laws he is referencing?
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Well, 210,300 pesos is about a one week rental in a nice house around these parts.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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Bob and Susan
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businesses have to pay taxes monthly...
in the hotel business you need to collect 16% plus 3 %
if you rent a house you should collect because you are running a business
i'll bet that number you are referring to is for yearly individual taxes
apples and oranges
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Howard
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I absolutely agree with Bob and Susan about airfare to Loreto.
I love this town but it is drying up because it is very difficult to get here. Not only is the airline price way out of line but the hassle factor is
huge.
IMO (first time I have ever used initials!) the Mexican government has to step up and either subsidize the fares and have multiple flights come in.
Loreto tourism cannot survive with people driving down and certainly cannot survive with the current absurd airfares. It will be a domino effect that
has already started.
Well now that I got that out of my system, time for a siesta.
We don't stop playing because we grow old;
we grow old because we stop playing
George Bernard Shaw
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UnoMas
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Gnu,
If you have a rental in Mexico don't you have to be registered with Hacienda and have a tax number? Don't you also have to report any foreign income
to the IRS, that was my understanding anyway.
I do know of a resort that is active in trying to curb the undocumented rentals and the taking my friend fishing business as well. There is no
question it hurts their business so do you blame them.
Kid if you are telling me you don't know of people who rent their houses and charter their boats all I can say is it is your story tell it any way you
want.
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monoloco
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| Quote: Originally posted by UnoMas | Gnu,
If you have a rental in Mexico don't you have to be registered with Hacienda and have a tax number? Don't you also have to report any foreign income
to the IRS, that was my understanding anyway.
I do know of a resort that is active in trying to curb the undocumented rentals and the taking my friend fishing business as well. There is no
question it hurts their business so do you blame them.
Kid if you are telling me you don't know of people who rent their houses and charter their boats all I can say is it is your story tell it any way you
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Yes, unless you want to end up with a CLAUSURADO sign on your house like a bunch of people in Todos
Santos have just experienced. Don't make the mistake of thinking it's only gringos who are looking at your ad on VRBO.
"The future ain't what it used to be"
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UnoMas
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Yes monoloco or the onion, pony express or any other rag...
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gnukid
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I don't rent out rooms. One day I might. No gringos I know rent rooms in their house or rent their house probably because no one whats the hassle.
Mexicans I know do rent and, there are many rooms for rent from mexicans on my street in almost every house.
My point was that there are minimum thresholds for income tax in mexico--that is it. If you are an active business person, you are required to have
legal representative, accountant and they file monthly-if you have income, if your business is not active you may have to file "en ceros" or may not
have to file "en zeros" depending on your residency status.
If you have questions, get an accountant, call a real estate office, lawyer, etc and go to the SRE and hacienda and ask for more info. Both offices
have phones numbers to call and you can find an english speaking person to speak to, it's not a mystery nor can I imagine people running active
rentals and skirting the law, that's silly. I can probably find the office numbers and an accountant if you need it. i bet you could just go on VRBO
and send a note to any vrbo listing in baja and ask them about their experience with costs and taxes, ask for the contact info for hacienda and SRE
and you might get good general info an find an agent to help you rent and manage the issues. Good luck
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