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Arthur
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Updating the Baja Almanac
Have you found a place where the Baja Almanac is inaccurate? I think it would be a good idea to get all such information in one place. This might
encourage the publisher to update the book, but at least I could make up a page (probably in table form) that would make it easy to find corrections.
Then I'll have the page laminated and shrunk down for use as a beer coaster. . .
Anywaay, if we present our findings in this way, it would make it easy for me -- or anyone -- to organize them for easy retrieval:
Page and quadrant (ie, 53, A-7)
Nearest town or landmark
Brief description of innacuracy
How the map should look
-- sound good?
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jrbaja
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Nope
because, it would be a full time job to point out all of the inaccuracies I have stumbled across in my travels throughout Baja.
And as some pointed out in the earlier threads regarding this, it adds to the adventure.
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Arthur
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Wow.
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Neal Johns
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Authur, check your U2U
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Never let a Dragon pass by without pulling its tail!
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PacO
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Well, since JR says no I guess that's the final word.
I will be happy to send you anything I find. I had some interesting travels on the Pacific side that didn't quite match up, but I didn't write any of
it down. I just filed in that relatively empty space betwixt me ears. I'm all for it
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woody with a view
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i know from my days in the FD that the thomas brothers maps are purposely inaccurate so that the publishers can track copyright infringements and
other such nonsense by their rivals. maybe baja almanac has a certain amount of "purposeful" errors as well?
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TMW
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Funny I just openned my almanac and on page 1 it shows the hwy from Tecate to Ensenada as hwy1.
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pappy
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shoot-ain't that part of the adventure??do we really want to make it pinpoint accurate?
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PacO
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Well, when you're off the pavement and staring at miles of washboard it's still an adventure. Just because you can see it on a map doesn't mean you
don't still feel lost when all you see around you is MILES of desert.
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bajalou
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Good project I hope it grows and gets some info out for us who havent been to some of the areas. Save a few frustrating hours sometimes.
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And in the San Felipe area - check out Valle Chico area |
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David K
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Here is some corrections I mentioned in the 9/04 thread... I brought up...
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When this edition of the Almanac (with color topography) came out last year, I posted the several errors I spotted that were also in the earliar
editions. I also emailed Landon the list, but I have never gotten a reply back.
As far as I have seen, Landon does not change road locations, but he does add milages on major roads and additions to place names. For instance, next
to Rancho Santa Ynez (Ines) you will see 'Casa Patchen' refering to Marvin Patchen's little cabin that is the base for his new book 'Baja Outpost'.
Coco's Corner is in the Almanac, but probabaly not on the official Mexican topo... etc.
Mistakes or old data used by Mexican cartographers and are also on the Almanac maps include:
Switching the names: Bahia San Luis Gonzaga and Ensenada de San Francisquito; Arroyo El Volcan and Arroyo Zamora
Mislocating roads: Hwy. 1 between San Agustin and San Roque (near Catavina); the road north of Hwy. 1 to San Juan de Dios; The Valle Chico road, north
of Matomi; the Punta San Francisquito road south of Las Flores;
Showing auto roads that don't exist: between San Francisco de la Sierra and Santa Marta (it is just a mule trail)...
There are others, but that is a sampling.
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bajaandy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by PacO
Just because you can see it on a map doesn't mean you don't still feel lost when all you see around you is MILES of desert. |
I've felt that way in the Los Angles basin a time or two.
"I can see it right here on the map. Now where the hell am I?"
Kudos to those of you that are attempting to add a bit more accuracy to the Baja Almanac. But as you can see from my post, half the time I'm not sure
if it's the map or my map reading skills that need the adjustment!
subvert the dominant paradigm
"If you travel with a man, you must either fall out with him or make him your good friend."
JBL Noel
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jrbaja
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Not so Pac O
I was just stating facts from traveling the Baja roads all the time.
I could post examples of so many places that are wrong, because of actually being there rather than reading about in some gringo vacationers
publication or message board.
What a concept eh? A different approach to be sure!
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Mike Humfreville
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Arthur
Regardless of what 1 or maybe 2 people say, your doing the right thing in trying to make this product so many of us rely on a better tool. Folks that
don't use the backroads use the AAA map. I've got a couple of notes I've made over the years and I'll post them here when I can find them.
Good job and thanks.
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PacO
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Jr
Why don't you do it then? With over 1300 posts annually on average since you have registered I think you could fit those in as well. This would give
you a chance to share your knowledge rather than belittle us more ignorant folk.
[Edited on 1-29-2005 by PacO]
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David K
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PacO, what is they say? "Talk is cheap"!
I love this 'gringo message board' and contribute a lot...
JR contributes just as much (we both have about the same # of posts if you add SkiBaja, his other handle), but is so often complaining or bad mouthing
the majority of viewers (gringos) here.
I don't get it?
JR, the mistakes I mention are from personal observation, driving, and GPSing... Or, from historic record (Bahia San Luis Gonzaga for example, is the
smaller northern bay, named by Spanish explorers that took shelter there).
JR, how about pointing out the numerous errors (made by Mexican cartographers) you have discovered and share them with you Baja brothers and sisters?
If I get in touch with Landon, I bet he could edit the next edition with your findings... maybe give you credit for all your field work?
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jrbaja
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Sorry david
As far as me badmouthing and belittling, I didn't realize that so many of you fit into the P-nche gringo group that I refer to down here. I was just
generalizing but wow, apparently the huarache fit more than I imagined!!
As much as I use the atlas and map, I really don't feel it is my job to point out all the mistakes made in the book. Credit does not grow bamboo!
If someone is making a book to sell and make money, I personally think that they should personally deal with getting it right and spending the time
it actually takes to do this.
And besides that, there are so many on here that take what I have to say about the P-nche gringos personally,  that I would rather see the places I know of left off the map entirely!
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bajaandy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jrbaja
I would rather see the places I know of left off the map entirely! |
HA! Fat chance of THAT ever happening. But wishful thinking never hurt anyone.
subvert the dominant paradigm
"If you travel with a man, you must either fall out with him or make him your good friend."
JBL Noel
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jrbaja
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We shall see,
Cartographers Flojos por que muchos bandidos en los cerrospeligro seguro
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rob
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BAJA ALMANAC
I like the Malarrimo Beach page. On my first exploration of Baja in 1998, I got to Malarimmo from the west along the cliff tops. When time came to
leave (up the usual approach arroyo that people use), I cautiously went up the arroyo and faithfully left the arroyo at the exact spot indicated on
the map (using my GPS).
I spent the entire afternoon casting back and forth to find the road (these were the days when I trusted the BM totally and without doubt).
Finally I said the hell with it and motored about 5 miles further up the arroyo (knowing I was going to die), and found the road where it had always
left the arroyo - beautiful and wide and waiting.
Stuart - read your email!
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