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Changing Mission History
Remove the cross??
http://ktla.com/2016/04/07/judge-christian-cross-has-no-plac...
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let me add a cross while we still can
Harald Pietschmann
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Thank you...........the PC crowd is getting out of hand. next they will want to delete the mission altogether
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Not sure why the ACLU gets its panties in a wad over historical depictions of crosses...there's a lot more pressing matters...let's see, do we need to
change all the cities named after Christian saints too? Or the the name Los Angeles?
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Just wait.........
Quote: Originally posted by Mexitron  | | Not sure why the ACLU gets its panties in a wad over historical depictions of crosses...there's a lot more pressing matters...let's see, do we need to
change all the cities named after Christian saints too? Or the the name Los Angeles? |
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Let us focus on B S instead for important items. Like a Magician working a slight of hand trick. Americans are great at watching shining objects while
ignoring the important ones.
SQUIRREL!!!!!
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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well, it IS a torture device after all. (rather grim imo)
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The ACLU is not the plaintiff, it is representing the plaintiffs who are listed on the first page of the link below. If you disagree, your
disagreement is not with the ACLU but with these folks and the deciding judge's idea of separation of church and state expressed in the first
amendment.
http://documents.latimes.com/court-order-l-county-seal/
[Edited on 4-8-2016 by SFandH]
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and it's really worth looking at WHO is suing:
Harald Pietschmann
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The tiny tiny cross on top of Mission San Gabriel (the first building in / founding of Los Angeles)??? Is that the fuss and wasted dollars is all
about??
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The tiny tiny cross on top of Mission San Gabriel (the first building in / founding of Los Angeles)??? Is that the fuss and wasted dollars is all
about?? |
No. It's about a symbol of a specific religion on a graphic that represents the state.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | The tiny tiny cross on top of Mission San Gabriel (the first building in / founding of Los Angeles)??? Is that the fuss and wasted dollars is all
about?? |
No. It's about a symbol of a specific religion on a graphic that represents the state. |
Yes.
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I thought the catholic priest built missions in California that became centers for the various settlements like Los Angeles. If so then a cross would
be the thing to do.
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gracias 
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| Quote: Originally posted by MMc | Let us focus on B S instead for important items. Like a Magician working a slight of hand trick. Americans are great at watching shining objects while
ignoring the important ones.
SQUIRREL!!!!! |
SQUIRRELS are not shiny ergo SQUIRRELS are important.
David
Not one shred of evidence supports the notion that life is serious.
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A tiny cross and a big fuss. So just eliminate it.
Now, in regards to that same seal for the County of Los Angeles, what about the cow? Or is this ACLU thing just about a Christian / Catholic (in this
case) symbol?
Will they also sue to take away the cow? A sacred symbol in Hinduism
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_cow
What about the fish?
http://www.religionfacts.com/christian-fish
And the Great Seal of the State of California with a Greek Godess?
Ah and yes, the names of all the Catholic Saints, will those need to be changed also? Diegoville, Barbaratown, New Fernando, Franciscoland, Bernardino
Junction, Clemente Canyons, Capistrano Farms, Margarita Ranch, Joaquin Flats, Josesville, Monica Beach, just to name a few.
A well informed Baja California traveler is a smart Baja California traveler!
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Well then, let us add to this California symbol, the dead bodies of the slave laborers of the missions.
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| Quote: Originally posted by fdt | A tiny cross and a big fuss. So just eliminate it.
Now, in regards to that same seal for the County of Los Angeles, what about the cow? Or is this ACLU thing just about a Christian / Catholic (in this
case) symbol?
Will they also sue to take away the cow? A sacred symbol in Hinduism
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_cow
What about the fish?
http://www.religionfacts.com/christian-fish
And the Great Seal of the State of California with a Greek Godess?
Ah and yes, the names of all the Catholic Saints, will those need to be changed also? Diegoville, Barbaratown, New Fernando, Franciscoland, Bernardino
Junction, Clemente Canyons, Capistrano Farms, Margarita Ranch, Joaquin Flats, Josesville, Monica Beach, just to name a few. |
Good response Ferna!
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The precedence has been clearly set that no religious symbols of any kind can be displayed in or on a government building or vehicle. I personally
think it's a silly waste of time and money, the majority of taxpayers that have to bear the financial burden of this change (and more to come)
probably feel the same way. If this were a democracy we could simply vote no and be done with it but we have that pesky government document that we
all have to abide by.
It's not about what I think or anyone else thinks, it's about the rule of law and it's interpretation by our supreme court.
I would not be in favor of removing the cross from the mission, it would render it an inaccurate depiction of a historic building. I would remove the
mission and replace it with something that wouldn't offend anyone....like a blank space or something similar.
Expect to see the faces of Washington and Jefferson chiseled off of Mount Rushmore in the future, we can't be glorifying slave owners like that,
someone might be offended.......
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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| Quote: Originally posted by DavidT | | Quote: Originally posted by MMc | Let us focus on B S instead for important items. Like a Magician working a slight of hand trick. Americans are great at watching shining objects while
ignoring the important ones.
SQUIRREL!!!!! |
SQUIRRELS are not shiny ergo SQUIRRELS are important. |
I was watching the misleading and unimportant stuff when one ran by.
"Never teach a pig to sing it frustrates you and annoys the pig" - W.C.Fields
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