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SFandH
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Went to La Mision yesterday. I've never seen a beach so full of garbage. Absolutely disgusting.
What's with Mexicans and trash anyway?
A truck, 2 guys, and few hours would have cleaned it up.
Why not?
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It would be nice if the beach users cleaned up after themselves, but that is not going to happen.
Also that beach is in the disputed zone. Ensenada and Rosarito are battling it out to see who has jurisdiction
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Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  |
Also that beach is in the disputed zone. Ensenada and Rosarito are battling it out to see who has jurisdiction
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I thought it was Ensenada's job to keep it clean. Who built the palapas (with no palm fronds nailed down)?
That huge dumpster at the south end packed with garbage is probably the biggest biohazard on the peninsula.
[Edited on 8-26-2016 by SFandH]
[Edited on 8-26-2016 by SFandH]
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I think alot of mexicans just don't see trash just like they don't hear barking dogs. for most of the older generation there simply was nowhere to
put trash, there was no dumps no trash collection, now they don't want you burning trash, it would be wonderful to go back to the days before
everything was plastic and bottles were returnable...but thats not gonna happen, I think most are trying harder, its just gonna take time.
thats my feeling anyway
on edit I drove past that beach today at noon and there were cleanup crews tidying up!
[Edited on 8-27-2016 by willardguy]
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The municipality of Ensenada replaced several palapas that were destroyed by the high tides, don't know about the fronds
| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
I thought it was Ensenada's job to keep it clean. Who built the palapas (with no palm fronds nailed down)?
That huge dumpster at the south end packed with garbage is probably the biggest biohazard on the peninsula.
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SFandH
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willardguy,
Yeah, but there's no excuse for what I saw at La Mision. I understand what you're saying but the folks in charge should know better.
I agree, Mexicans seem to have a high tolerance for litter, doesn't bother them. And I know I'm broad brushing but jeez, what I saw yesterday was an
utter disaster. Hope they got it picked up today because another hot weekend starts tomorrow.
[Edited on 8-27-2016 by SFandH]
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I agree with Willard. It's not just Mexico. We've seen it in the Caribbean, Far east, South Pacific and on. Third world people just don't see the
trash. They go to a beautiful beach and see the beach but not the trash. Instead of putting their trash in a compact toxic waste ball like we do in
the states they spread the love all over the land like a fine patina of mankind. Things are changing as the younger generation becomes more educated
but change comes slowly. We usually bring a BIG bag to the beach and try to leave with it full. Oh those pesky gringos and their self righteous acts
of kindness.
Every beautiful beach in the world needs a few condo towers - NOT.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by weebray | | I agree with Willard. It's not just Mexico. We've seen it in the Caribbean, Far east, South Pacific and on. Third world people just don't see the
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I haven't travelled to places as poor or poorer than Mexico but I have watched videos of 3rd world countries and you're right, litter, trash, garbage
seem to go hand in hand with poverty. It's mysterious, cleanliness is such a basic thing. Too expensive I guess.
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Good play on words
In this case some good pictures and accurate labels of what you get for your money when you travel to a thurd world country and plaster them on
appropriate websites would most likely do the most good since the mexican tourism board is more sensitive about money than health/environmental
issues.
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| Quote: Originally posted by KaceyJ | Good play on words
In this case some good pictures and accurate labels of what you get for your money when you travel to a thurd world country and plaster them on
appropriate websites would most likely do the most good since the mexican tourism board is more sensitive about money than health/environmental
issues.
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Bingo!!!!!
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It is not just Mexico and third world countries. Right here on the Central Coast of California the little town of Avila Beach which I called home for
many years has piles of trash on the beach after any busy summer or holiday weekend. The worst is Cave Landing (Pirates' Cove) which is often party
central for the college crowd. Amount of trash on that lovely little beach is disgusting. Both these locations rival Mexican beaches after Semana
Santa. We don't have anything to be self-righteous about in that regard.
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The high school and other volunteers in La Mision did a clean-up just today.
"Raise your words, not your voice. It's rain that grows flowers, not thunder." ~Rumi
"It's the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle
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That's great
Maybe the next generation will get it
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its a cultural thing. those of us over 60 remember the late 50s, in the USA, when the term "litter" came into popular use. gas stations began to give
away free litter bags for cars. there were television PSAs to educate people about the unsavory habit of tossing trash out the window. in the space
of a generation it became "incorrect" to inappropriately dispose of garbage. i see highway signs in mexico encouraging better habits. with a bit more
effort , and education it could improve.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | its a cultural thing. those of us over 60 remember the late 50s, in the USA, when the term "litter" came into popular use. gas stations began to give
away free litter bags for cars. there were television PSAs to educate people about the unsavory habit of tossing trash out the window. in the space
of a generation it became "incorrect" to inappropriately dispose of garbage. i see highway signs in mexico encouraging better habits. with a bit more
effort , and education it could improve. |
I have seen those changes in Mulege in recent years and largely due to Blanca's work La Bocana may be the cleanest town in Baja! I think there is a
lot less trash along Hwy 1 now than 30-35 years ago.
And I saw those changes you point out in the US which makes me more disturbed to see the increase in beach trash left behind. It has definitely
increased in my area as I outlined in my earlier post.
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I agree things are getting better in Baja and there is an education program. The issue with what I saw is La Mision is a heavily used public beach and
it is clearly the responsibility of municipality in charge to haul out the trash. I was there on a Thursday, 4 days after the weekend when I suppose
most of the trash originated. The wind had scattered the trash all over the beach after the seagulls had pulled the garbage from the cans. An
offshore, Santa Ana wind would have blown it out into the ocean.
It's good that some volunteers cleaned up but that's not the solution.
So the problem is nuanced. There is individual responsibility that the education programs focus upon and there is government responsibility that has
clearly failed in this case.
Too bad, La Mision is the biggest beach between TJ and Ensenada and probably has the cleanest water.
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I worked for the Boulder Parks Dept....After Labor day weekend the Parks had so much trash DUMPED in them they were unusable...May be the same all
over the world....
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A funny story about litter. Here in Bakersfield a lady wrote to the local newspaper that she was on her morning walk along the Panorama bluffs. As she
approached a car there was a young couple who just finished changing the baby's diaper and dropped it at the curb and walked off. When she got to the
car she noticed the sun roof was open so she picked up the diaper and dropped it on the front seat.
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| Quote: Originally posted by willardguy | I think alot of mexicans just don't see trash just like they don't hear barking dogs
[Edited on 8-27-2016 by willardguy] |
With you on that, it is viewed by some as part of the
natural lanndscape.
Some yrs back it
became socially unaceptable
in the US to litter. Sorta like smoking, Mex did adopt no smoking in restaurants. I think it is a process, I'm sure young Mex kids
learn in school about environmental awareness, it will take
time, but as mentioned trash cans are few
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thanks for the kind words - La Bocana is much, much better but still has quite a ways to go! I too remember "don't be a litterbug." campaign when I
was a kid.
well, as long as we are telling stories like the diaper one, I have one to share......and I am not proud that I "lost it", but it is what it is:
when I first started cleaning up here in town, it was before I started teaching and I had a lot of time on my hands. My neighbor and I went out time
after time and day after day. I paid the garbage guys to work extra hours and clear away sofas...mattresses...fridges etc. in the afternoons.
One day, I saw a house not too far from ours, that had lots and lots of paper and plastic and was FULL of trash. I went into the store that was
next to the house and asked if I could clean up (the yard was fenced but the trash was able to get through.). The girl said no, her mom would not
like that. I figured the problem might be that I was a gringo, so I asked: can I have my neighbor Linda come? The girl went in the house and asked
her mom. Came back and said NO.
After a second I asked: Can I pay you to clean it up? She went to mom, came back with NO as the response.
At this point I got upset. I had already been cleaning for hours and it was useless if the trash in their yard was going to fly right back where I
had cleaned.
Well, I went home and got my camera. I went back to the yard and took a photo. and posted it at the local supermarket with a note that said: Is
this what we want for La Bocana?
and I went home and told Les we were soon to be kicked out of La Bocana. It's OK, he said. It's OK.
The next day I went walking and lo and behold! The yard was spotless!!! I mean, it was spotless!
So I ran home and got my camera. As I was standing on the street, the mom comes out and yells WHAT NOW? WHAT IS THE PROBLEM NOW? Her hands were on
her hips and I can just envision the scene as I write now.
Oh, I said. Your yard is so beautiful that I want to show everyone how nice it is.
and that ended it. Silvia and I started talking and became good friends. I did post the new photo and said something to the effect of LOOK HOW
BEAUTIFUL! Turns out she sells plants and I became her biggest customer.
I still can't believe I did that. What was I thinking????
and want to know the best part of all? Years later, her nephew was to be in the first group of students sponsored to go to college! Julian,
precisely the kid we all sent to northern California recently. He is her nephew.
and may I add that her yard has never ever been trashy again.
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