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motoged
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P*nche Gringo
Here's a twist:
[https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/restaurant-wins-fight-over-morality-of-its-name/]
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del mar
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lol..there's a Fb group that uses it as their cover photo.....wouldn't mind trying their BBQ!
[Edited on 10-22-2019 by del mar]
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Paco Facullo
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Ya, and there were people against it for not being politically correct ..
And they lost , so long live "P-nche Gringo"
I LOVE IT !
Oh Lord, even on here P-nche is changed... Note to Doug, it is OK to write P-nche now.....
[Edited on 10-22-2019 by Paco Facullo]
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ZipLine
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If the BBQ is good, they can call it any d*amn thing they want.
I like the spirit of the place.
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AKgringo
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The "Gringo" part was OK though? The state of California rejected my request for "AKGRNGO" plates on my soon to be Baja rig! It was considered
offensive!
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Russ
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It's just in bad taste I think. He's catering to a Gringo clientele and berates them before they even enter. I'm sure the service doesn't reflect the
slight in the name. I do have a sense of humor but grew up being offended by that term because it was an offensive term and still is.
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del mar
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let me guess, although the link didn't work did anybody bother to actually read the story?
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AKgringo
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I did! Ged's link didn't work, but I copied it and brought up the article in a search. Not bad for a Luddite!
I don't have as much time S.O.B. as many of the Nomads posting here, but I have been traveling in Mexico off and on since I was ten years old (1957).
I don't recall anyone ever using "Gringo" as a derogatory way in my presence!
Aside from a short deployment to Fort Bliss in 1968, I have not spent much time on the north side of the border, so maybe I led a sheltered life! I
would not have used "gringo" in my user name if I thought it was derogatory, or an insult!
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Lee
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Plnche written like this fools the eye.
Used as an insult outside MX as well, and in Chile, the word refers to a hair clip.
Pasame el plnche.
I like the sound of plnche pendejo.
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What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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Don't judge a book by it's cover. Other interesting facts...
https://articles.aplus.com/a/P-nche-gringo-bbq-hires-deporte...
https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-d...
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You guys are too politically correct. Cover your ears and don't let the kids see/hear this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eujTLnCSgJs
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motoged
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Effin great link.... 
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AKgringo
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Is p*nche used to mean effing? It is not a word I have any background context. I couldn't imagine anyone getting that upset about "Damned Gringo" as
the article stated.
[Edited on 10-23-2019 by AKgringo]
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | | Is p*nche used to mean effing? It is not a word I have any background context. I couldn't imagine anyone getting that upset about "Damned Gringo" as
the article stated. |
Urban Dictionary: http://tinyurl.com/y2fz5ud2
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AKgringo
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Well that changes the discussion a bit. I guess I have learned what little Spanish I know from people who are way too polite!
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Great food at Sambo`s. What, it`s gone? It was racist?
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To be fully politically incorrect; "pin*he gringo" is a bastardization of the original street phrase "pin*he mujado" from the state side of the
border.
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Es Todo Bueno
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motoged
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Hey....everyone can feel offended.... :
mojado
Mexican-American slur for "*******" or illegal immigrant;
note: ( ******** = wetb*ck)
For Latinos, a Spanish word loaded with meaning
By Marisa Gerber, Los Angeles Times
April 1, 2013
12 AM
When Boyle Heights shop owner Arturo Macias hears fellow Latinos use the Spanish word for “*******,” he doesn’t necessarily take offense.
Macias, who crossed illegally into the U.S. through Tijuana two decades ago, has heard the term “mojado” for much of his life and sees it less as
an insult than a description of a common immigrant experience.
“As a country of immigrants,” he says in Spanish, “in one way or another, we’re all mojados.”
Macias is very offended, however, when he hears a non-Latino say “*******.” That distinction befuddles his 20-year-old daughter Karina.
“It definitely is a term to divide people,” she said. “You can’t use it as a term of endearment at all, whether it’s someone outside of your
culture or not.”
An Alaska’s congressman’s reference to “*******s” during a radio interview last week stirred an uproar and he was forced to apologize. In
Latino communities, the episode highlighted how cultural reactions to the word have changed through generations.
Everyone seems to agree that the English version of the term is highly offensive to Latinos when others use it. But when Latinos use mojado — which
literally means “wet” but is also used to describe illegal immigrants in the United States — it’s different.
“My grandfather, for all practical purposes, was a mojado. They call each other mojados,” veteran Latino activist Arnoldo Torres said. “It’s
about understanding the complexity. Of seven, eight, nine, generations of Latinos that have lived in the United States.”
Torres was already dealing with the fallout of the word 30 years ago.
In 1983, Ernest Hollings, a South Carolina senator running for the Democratic presidential nomination, used the English term at a dinner during a
campaign stop in Des Moines. Hollings apologized and met with a group of Latino leaders, including Torres, then the executive director of the League
of United Latin American Citizens.
“We said, ‘Look, this is why it’s offensive.’ We weren’t looking for some astronomical apology,” Torres said. “Our hope was very simple.
If we’re able to educate him, maybe he can tell others.”
Each time the word resurfaces, it carries with it a long history and a nuanced reputation.
The English term, originally coined after Mexicans illegally entered the U.S. by swimming or wading across the Rio Grande, evolved to include a
broader group of immigrants who entered into the country on foot or in cars. The Spanish translation espaldas mojadas, is typically shortened to just
mojado or mojada, depending on the person’s gender.
In 1954, as the U.S. economy sputtered to find its footing after the Korean War, the government launched the now-infamous Operation *******, a
deportation drive that sent Mexicans back to Mexico in droves and roused complaints of racial profiling and fractured families.
During that decade, the term was still splashed across the pages of the country’s major newspapers.
In 1952, the New York Times ran a story under the headline: “Hero in Korean War Deported as *******; Served in Army 3 Years After Entering U.S.”
Three years later, the Associated Press wrote a story about “the ‘******* invasion’ across the Mexican border.” And Angelenos at the time read
headlines like “*******, 16, Gets School Diploma in Jail” and “Roundup of *******s in L.A. Still On,” in the Los Angeles Times.
Amin David, a Latino rights activist from Orange County, remembers when Latinos could joke with one another about the term — “One of the jokes
that we used to say was that if we crossed the Rio Grande we wouldn’t even get our backs wet because there was no water,” he recalled.
“It moved from a humorous-type label to a very derogatory one,” David said, adding that he noticed the shift begin in the 1960s.
Gustavo Arellano, editor of the OC Weekly and author of the syndicated ¡Ask a Mexican! column, said the term started to drop off in the 1980s and
‘90s. As its usage waned, “illegal alien” gained footing.
“When you want to insult Mexicans, calling them a ‘*******’ is so 1950s,” Arellano said. “It’s so dated.”
The Alaska congressman who sparked the most recent furor is Republican Don Young. He spoke of “50 to 60 *******s” who picked tomatoes at his
father’s farm in California.
“I used a term that was commonly used during my days growing up on a farm in Central California,” he said in an apology Friday. “I know that
this term is not used in the same way nowadays, and I meant no disrespect.”
For Raul Ruiz, a professor of Chicano Studies at Cal State Northridge, Young’s apology was a bit off. He conceded that the term used to be more
common, but doesn’t think it used to be any less offensive.
Ruiz, 70, admits some Latinos use mojados freely. But he says it has a different meaning coming from an Anglo.
“I’m not trying to excuse it, but the word mojado isn’t totally a pejorative in the way Mexicans use it in referring to themselves,” Ruiz
said. “It really isn’t as mean-spirited at all.”
Back at Macias’ clothing shop in Boyle Heights, his family continued to discuss the term.
For Karina Macias, a UC Berkeley student who spent a recent afternoon during her spring break helping her parents run the shop, Young’s words are
surprising given the growing political clout of Latinos.
“As the Latino population increases, the Latino impact on society increases,” she said. “If there’s a Latino in office, you can’t put
‘*******’ in the headlines.”
She turned to her mother, who was leaning on the counter near the cash register, and asked her, in Spanish, what she thought about the word
“mojado.”
The raven-haired woman with a sweet smile put her hand on her chest and raised her eyebrows. “Wow,” she said, shocked to hear her daughter use the
term. “I think it’s offensive, it has always been offensive.”
Arturo simply smiled and shrugged.
marisa.gerber@latimes.com
[Edited on 10-23-2019 by motoged]
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Paco Facullo
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I woke up this morning and scratched my P-nche nuts then went and took a P-nche crap fallowed by P-nche shower, made some P-nche coffee then logged
onto that P-nche Baja-Nomad website and what do I see ?
A discussion about P-nche Gringos ????
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| Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo | I woke up this morning and scratched my P-nche nuts then went and took a P-nche crap fallowed by P-nche shower, made some P-nche coffee then logged
onto that P-nche Baja-Nomad website and what do I see ?
A discussion about P-nche Gringos ???? |
Why not go down to the corner and shout "Eh, Putos!!" at the passing cars and passersby? I'm sure someone will find it humorous. Or maybe not.
John
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