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LancairDriver
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Global Warming Projected to Strike Again
Is this Johnathan Erdman meteorologist an accredited Baja Nomad Climate source?
This week's cold snap is only an appetizer compared with the main Arctic blast that's coming next week, meteorologists said. That freeze could be one
for the record books. "The National Weather Service is forecasting 170 potential daily record cold high temperatures Monday to Wednesday,” tweeted
Weather Channel meteorologist Jonathan Erdman. "A little taste of January in November."
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0NIZNWv4?pd=037FyHaR&s=i3
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4x4abc
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there is weather - and then there is climate
Harald Pietschmann
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David K
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85° this week in San Diego County!
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AKgringo
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This is the first year I have not spent most, if not all summer in Anchorage. My sons are telling me that I missed the best summer ever!
Climate change can't be all bad, in all places, but I hope it is just a cycle rather than a progressive change! 2007 was the wettest summer, and 2011
was way heavy with ice and snow!
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
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55steve
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Strange stuff happening for sure.
https://www.technocracy.news/antarctic-sea-ice-at-35-year-re...
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mtnpop
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about 10 days last week Denver was colder than Anchorage every day.
we are central colorado and had 75 today and monday is supposed to be maybe 35.
oh well that's what I get for not going south in Oct as usual.
most of the ski areas are now open.
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A wise man once spoke nothing.....
Never kick a cow chip on a hot day!!
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Marc
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We had to leave early from an evening outdoor event last week here in Palm Springs because of the cold.
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caj13
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cherry picking data on a single day - nice! but how does that compare to looking at the actual data?
Humm - that doesn't seem to match up to these:
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/features/despite-antar...
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/...
and if you look at the scientist the original article quoted - looks like he has figured out why
http://psc.apl.uw.edu/people/investigators/jinlun-zhang/
regardless, the sea ice is not nearly as big of a concern as the glacial and ice on land masses - much higher amounts of water.
melting sea ice really does not change the sea levels - the ice and water are already in the ocean, its the melting ice on the land masses that are
contributing to measured sea level changes.
And to all those who pull out the tired old - "cold today what about that global warming" nonsense
,. please - educate yourself just a bit. learn the difference between climate and weather.
and for once - think about how truly ignorant, short sighted, and ridiculous that statement is:
if that really is your evidence that global warming does not exist - then I assume you switch to a believer of global warming everytime the
temperature exceeeds the average temperature for that specific date?
or is their some sort of special science going on where cold days matter, but hot days are to be ignored - because ????
[Edited on 11-10-2019 by caj13]
[Edited on 11-10-2019 by caj13]
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mtgoat666
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Conservative science! Same boneheaded thinking is used in creationism and trickle down economics!
Next thing I expect to see is some mor0ns will measure sea level trends with vacation snapshots of palm trees!
Woke!
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caj13
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | Conservative science! Same boneheaded thinking is used in creationism and trickle down economics!
Next thing I expect to see is some mor0ns will measure sea level trends with vacation snapshots of palm trees! |
which are now dying because of saltwater intrusion BTW - the area has been losing trees and shrubs for 20 years, with no regrowth, or new
seedlings.
IE the environment has changed, it will not support those trees and shrubs anymore - saltwater intrusion is the most likely culprit!
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chuckie
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"the area" ? What area?
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lencho
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If you're talking about the verborrágico's
showcase palm tree beach, my assumption would be that it's more from human intrusion than saltwater.
Aren't coconut palms pretty salt tolerant? 
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were scornful of any least suggestion of knowing anything not learned at first hand."
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chuckie
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They must be...Ihad some growing by my place that were practicly IN the water....They were date palms tho...
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caj13
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Look at Davids photos over the years, watch the vegetation get more and more sparse, all of the shrubs now gone, some palm trees now gone, others
looking pretty scruffy. If it was only old age, you would expect new growth replacing it, but its not.
If David can make ridiculous claims based on his photos, I can make reasonable claims based on his provided evidence!
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4x4abc
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I can tell you from 30 years of back country travel experience that in popular areas the search for camp fire wood will reduce vegetation very quickly
- camp fires have to be really big, right?
Harald Pietschmann
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chuckie
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What Harald said..That area around the DK memorial Palm is one of the most overused spots in Baja.....If studied on the bias however and additional
infusion....That theorem could amalgamate...
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4x4abc
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"DK memorial Palm"
love it!
we should attach a plaque
wouldn't it be ironic to send David's grand kids pictures of water close to the plaque in 50 years?
Harald Pietschmann
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David K
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Oh, how sweet.
So, the palm tree is still above high tide, two generations from now?
I am glad it was such an obviously good way to prove the seas are not rising any drastic amount. This palm tree has been just above the high tide
point for over 80 years in photographs.
Since trees do not uproot themselves and move, it is an excellent benchmark.
Also, since the land behind the palm is flat, if the sea was just a foot or so higher than 80 years ago, that land would be a lagoon today!
This photo was taken in 1949:
This photo was taken in 2016:
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caj13
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I'm in for a contribution for the plaque!
I was making a point, Tounge firmly planted in my cheek!
I assumed I was just highlighting the use of vapor evidence to prove a point. If David can use his photos and make ridiculous claims - well then I
should be allowed to do so also. And my info ought to be subjected to the same level of scrutiny (and support) as Davids claims.
Interesting, some of you here line up lockstep with David on his magic Palm trees, but when someone else pulls out essentially the same data - but
with a different slant on it, you immediately snap to defend the indefensible David at all costs - " the infidels are storming our Palm infested
castle! "
thanks for my morning Laugh!
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | Oh, how sweet.
So, the palm tree is still above high tide, two generations from now?
I am glad it was such an obviously good way to prove the seas are not rising any drastic amount. This palm tree has been just above the high tide
point for over 80 years in photographs.
Since trees do not uproot themselves and move, it is an excellent benchmark.
Also, since the land behind the palm is flat, if the sea was just a foot or so higher than 80 years ago, that land would be a lagoon today!
This photo was taken in 1949:
This photo was taken in 2016:
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what happened to the Palm on the far right (how Ironic!) David,
and the 2 smaller trees on either side of the magic palm - where did they go?
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