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JZ
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Just pulled the trigger on our first Baja trip since Jan 2020
Three of us flying down from LA. Two, maybe three, of my friends coming over from Sonora.
Weather should be great that time of year. Taking the bikes, zodiac, and truck down 2 weeks before, and then flying back to LA.
It feels really good to support the economy and not live in fear. Planning two more trips for November and again in Dec/Jan.
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chippy
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Cool! I hope it all works out. I plan on letting the people that live down there tell me if I´m wanted or not. Not peeps nob that have no clue. I´ll
be earlier than you in oct. but could cross paths in nov?
Saludos
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JZ
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Quote: Originally posted by chippy  | Cool! I hope it all works out. I plan on letting the people that live down there tell me if I´m wanted or not. Not peeps nob that have no clue. I´ll
be earlier than you in oct. but could cross paths in nov?
Saludos |
Yeah, I have some friends in Loreto. They really want us to come.
We aren't going to a foam party at a bar or anything, so I'm pretty sure all will be "ok."
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BajaBlanca
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I will be interested to see what Loreto peeps say. La Bocana is all open but also have zero cases of covid 19.
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motoged
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He doesn't care 
Don't believe everything you think....
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JZ
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We hope to be down about 6-7 weeks over a 3-4 month period.
Would love to come see you guys if you think it's cool?
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Lee
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | It feels really good to support the economy and not live in fear. Planning two more trips for November and again in Dec/Jan.
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Your attitudes and beliefs are crystal clear. I can't imagine anyone here thinking you live in fear, esp. about the virus. Fine with me. Have
at it.
I'm puzzled, though, as to why you point out to this forum, in many posts, that you don't live in fear? And then point out, in an accusatory
manner, that people who have concerns about the virus are sheep, and live in fear because they believe the state dept. assertion that travel SOB is
restricted to essential people.
I get the impression you're trying to provoke people here. Why?
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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paranewbi
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Not far behind you JZ...just a few days later and a different coast line in Mex.
Thought of canceling not long ago and speaking to the people I will be around in their land... they all said to not do that. They want and need those
of us who will come, to come. They reassured me that the level of care in social contacts was just as strong where they were as that of the US...even
maybe more so from what they had seen on media.
I watched several YouTube postings of recent travelers doing what we were going to do. The level of safety was impressive and illustrated their desire
to get travelers back to their area.
To those on this board that protest JZ's advocacy of traveling and living without fear as a guidance... It seems to me he is at least as diligent in
understanding all angles and implications prior to making decisions and the testament is that he does and returns from travels that carry a level of
risk.
To question his vocal advocacy when the greater onslaught is actually condemnation... is an illustration of bias, not a seeking of understanding. And
that's where fear takes you... nowhere.
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SFandH
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There's a difference between being careful, cautious and being afraid, anxious. Saying people who have decided it's best to not travel are people
living in fear is wrong. Such people are being careful to not get infected and infect others. They are being cautious. A smart way to be, especially
if you're 60 or over.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by SFandH]
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chippy
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Jed if there are filtros that aren´t allowing national tourism in I will happily respect that. I havn´t seen filtros down here for many months. I
know that BCS is open for tourism as I am booked on the ferry and in a couple of hotels. I don´t know why Loreto would be any different.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by chippy]
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JZ
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Loreto isn't different. You can fly there. Hotels are open.
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motoged
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Why won't you answer Lee's question ?
Afraid?
Don't believe everything you think....
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
Jed if there are filtros that aren´t allowing national tourism in I will happily respect that. I havn´t seen filtros down here for many months. I
know that BCS is open for tourism as I am booked on the ferry and in a couple of hotels. I don´t know why Loreto would be any different.
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There were no "filtros" for Sturgis and a lot of folks thought it was a good idea to show up.... social consciousness could be a filtro ....but one
needs to have it to apply it.
Lee nailed it with his question (which was well-worded).... read between the lines with JZ's self-centered logic.....his rationalization of "helping
Baja's economy" is a transparent veneer of justification.
Folks supporting his modality are of the same ilk....some Nomads are demonstrating a more respectful attitude towards others....
Don't believe everything you think....
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David K
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I want to go to Baja in the worst way... but it is the worst time during a pandemic. Baja will be there in 2021, so 2020 is just a non-travel year...
except on the computer!
  
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
Jed if there are filtros that aren´t allowing national tourism in I will happily respect that. I havn´t seen filtros down here for many months. I
know that BCS is open for tourism as I am booked on the ferry and in a couple of hotels. I don´t know why Loreto would be any different.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by chippy] |
There were no "filtros" for Sturgis and a lot of folks thought it was a good idea to show up.... social consciousness could be a filtro ....but one
needs to have it to apply it.
Lee nailed it with his question (which was well-worded).... read between the lines with JZ's self-centered logic.....his rationalization of "helping
Baja's economy" is a transparent veneer of justification.
Folks supporting his modality are of the same ilk....some Nomads are demonstrating a more respectful attitude towards others....
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And sturgis has what to do with Baja? It looked to me like sturgis was a bunch of wanna be bikers that were not following any of the covid protocols.
Down here they are following the protocols in stores, restaurants,hotels ect. It´s the nueva normalidad and will be for awhile.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by chippy]
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motoged
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| Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
And sturgis has what to do with Baja? It looked to me like sturgis was a bunch of wanna be bikers that were not following any of the covid protocols.
Down here they are following the protocols in stores, restaurants,hotels ect. It´s the nuevo normalidad and will be for awhile.
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Sturgis was an example of folks following personal desires rather than epidemic risk management....unfortunate you didn't get that.
The USA leads the world in covid deaths....people " excersizing their rights" seems to be the greatest risk of covid transmission.
Mexico is the next out-of-control country.
How's that working for you guys?
The countries managing the virus best are those willing to put personal interests second to the general public health.
Even DK gets it:
"I want to go to Baja in the worst way... but it is the worst time during a pandemic. Baja will be there in 2021, so 2020 is just a non-travel year...
except on the computer!"
Don't believe everything you think....
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bajatrailrider
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I can only add this all my friends from so cal. Have been coming here to visit non stop since February to date. They are careful non are sick. For
this month of August the beach near me. Every weekend looks like 4 of July all California plates on beach. Fisherman campers atv sxs Moto I have
never seen so many. So many comments from people that don't live here. Or want to compare USA . All good but bad info some places in Baja open and
all good . In my town two where sick hospital one day sent home to recover . They did one person very sick with other health problems. Did in fact
pass away two months ago. Live and let live people.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
And sturgis has what to do with Baja? It looked to me like sturgis was a bunch of wanna be bikers that were not following any of the covid protocols.
Down here they are following the protocols in stores, restaurants,hotels ect. It´s the nuevo normalidad and will be for awhile.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by chippy] |
Sturgis was an example of folks following personal desires rather than epidemic risk management....unfortunate you didn't get that.
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Sounds to me like Chippy got it. 
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
And sturgis has what to do with Baja? It looked to me like sturgis was a bunch of wanna be bikers that were not following any of the covid protocols.
Down here they are following the protocols in stores, restaurants,hotels ect. It´s the nuevo normalidad and will be for awhile.
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Sturgis was an example of folks following personal desires rather than epidemic risk management....unfortunate you didn't get that.
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Sounds to me like Chippy got it. |
wanna be bikers?
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chippy
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| Quote: Originally posted by motoged | | Quote: Originally posted by chippy |
And sturgis has what to do with Baja? It looked to me like sturgis was a bunch of wanna be bikers that were not following any of the covid protocols.
Down here they are following the protocols in stores, restaurants,hotels ect. It´s the nuevo normalidad and will be for awhile.
[Edited on 8-26-2020 by chippy] |
Sturgis was an example of folks following personal desires rather than epidemic risk management....unfortunate you didn't get that.
The USA leads the world in covid deaths....people " excersizing their rights" seems to be the greatest risk of covid transmission.
Mexico is the next out-of-control country.
How's that working for you guys?
The countries managing the virus best are those willing to put personal interests second to the general public health.
Even DK gets it:
"I want to go to Baja in the worst way... but it is the worst time during a pandemic. Baja will be there in 2021, so 2020 is just a non-travel year...
except on the computer!"
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Easy for you to say living up there on the frozen tundra while your gov takes care of you. We don´t have that option down here. Our gov. has not and
will not do anything to help business or people down here. People got to work or starve. It´s all doable with precautions that are taking place.
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