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mtgoat666
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GM going electric, IC engine is dead
Todays news:
General Motors plans to completely phase out vehicles using internal combustion engines by 2035, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Mary Barra
announced Thursday. The automaker will go completely carbon neutral at all facilities worldwide by 2035.
Since nomads mostly drive toyotas and Suzukis (and 1%ers g-wagons), perhaps the GM plan is irrelevant for nomads, eh?
Still waiting for my cyber truck,....
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PaulW
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Expect riots when the big V8s expire
Do you thing it will be liberals or conservatives that will participate in riots?
The die hards will reconstruct the dead old fashioned rigs until the petro fuel disappears.
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AKgringo
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By 2035 I will be pushing 90, so I don't think it is going to have a huge impact on my driving habits!
By the way, that plan is for passenger vehicles and SUVs. There will still be medium duty trucks burning hydrocarbons.
[Edited on 1-29-2021 by AKgringo]
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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PaulW
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I just bought a jeep and wow they are progressing to EVs. So far it just Electric assist and plugins. Same thing that Ford is doing but much
slower.
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Just getting ready to buy a boat that holds 300 gallons of gas.
Will try not to leave a wake so big it knocks you off your arm powered SUP.
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I mean, you can fight and prolong the enevitble, but another source of natural energy that is sustainable forever (sun ) is going to be implemented in
the near future, if it's the answer than scienece will prevail.
In the meantime, of coarse we need oil and it should be havested and consumed wisely
For as much as things change, they basiccallt stay the same, don't be to cachinnating
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mtgoat666
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Quote: Originally posted by JZ  | Just getting ready to buy a boat that holds 300 gallons of gas.
Will try not to leave a wake so big it knocks you off your arm powered SUP.
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If you weren’t short and pudgy, you could paddle more than 100 feet without getting winded.
Your new stink pot will just make you get fatter 
[Edited on 1-29-2021 by mtgoat666]
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“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
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motoged
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Yep, there is always going to be guys like that...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv-_6T-yqk
Don't believe everything you think....
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PaulW
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Living in western USA far from big cities it is not understood how travel away from home would be possible what with a hour to recharge the car in a
place with no other services like a place to eat or something else to do during the layover. These remote charging places have no security at all
except for a chain link fence with a gate.
Surely a new style 5 minute battery has to happen pretty soon.
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by PaulW | Living in western USA far from big cities it is not understood how travel away from home would be possible what with a hour to recharge the car in a
place with no other services like a place to eat or something else to do during the layover. These remote charging places have no security at all
except for a chain link fence with a gate.
Surely a new style 5 minute battery has to happen pretty soon. |
The technology changes every year,... be patient, grasshopper.
Swappable batteries would be fastest recharge method.... in/out of fuel stop in a matter of minutes.
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Or perhaps a way to harvest some of that energy used to move and stop you for topping the batteries off.
I have confidence that by 2035 (Jeez, that’s only 14 years away!!) a lot of progress will be made.
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David K
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Why can't the four rotating wheels (or other rotating parts) be made to double as generators to recharge the batteries while you are driving? A solar
panel roof and hood can recharge while parked in daylight.
Until that or some other 'magic bean' system happens, it is not practical for traveling in the backcountry or multi-day Baja adventure trips, only
daily commuting to work from home.
A hybrid that works like the Prius, where it has a engine for when the battery isn't enough, is a middle-ground solution.
Of course, the environmental harm from lithium mining and dead battery disposal is a real concern.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Why can't the four rotating wheels (or other rotating parts) be made to double as generators to recharge the batteries while you are driving?.
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Because you can’t get more energy out of a system than you put in. It’s one of the laws of thermodynamics.
In your case you need energy to run the car and energy to replace the energy that enters the system. Another words replacing the electricity going in
is full usage of energy, but you still need more to move the car. Where will that come from. It’s not like recharging a battery to start the car.
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It's 2035 now and in 2030 it'll be 2060 etc. When their sales start to fall they'll rethink their position. I think the IC engine is on the way out
but it will be a while. Me I'll probably never buy another car or truck unless I wreck what I've got or come into a lot of money. I'm with AKgringo on
this.
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BajaTed
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| Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Why can't the four rotating wheels (or other rotating parts) be made to double as generators to recharge the batteries while you are driving?.
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Because you can’t get more energy out of a system than you put in. It’s one of the laws of thermodynamics.
In your case you need energy to run the car and energy to replace the energy that enters the system. Another words replacing the electricity going in
is full usage of energy, but you still need more to move the car. Where will that come from. It’s not like recharging a battery to start the car.
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Kinetic Energy Recovery System(s) (KERS) has been used in F1 race cars for years. Braking energy used to dynamically recharge engine battery.
The Porsche Taycan (my next car) has that feature
Es Todo Bueno
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David K
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Thanks for the replies.
Igor, I suspected it was restricted by some mechanical law and that the weight of the magnets would negatively impact the system. However, I have
faith that in the not too distant future there will be a discovery to solve the issue!
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AKgringo
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I have an idea!
I have property with a forest that is in dire need of management to lessen the chances of a catastrophic fire. The standing dead, and downed trees
plus some that are future problems, provide a huge source of fuel!
All I need to do is convert one of my utility trailers to a steam turbine generator and I could roll on down the road like a locomotive!
I will start checking old episodes of "The Red Green Show" to see if the good old boys at the Possum Lodge have solved the problem. 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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motoged
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Gary,
I have heard that Gorilla Tape is better than Duct tape.....just to keep a few loose things from jangling.
Don't believe everything you think....
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed | | Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Why can't the four rotating wheels (or other rotating parts) be made to double as generators to recharge the batteries while you are driving?.
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Because you can’t get more energy out of a system than you put in. It’s one of the laws of thermodynamics.
In your case you need energy to run the car and energy to replace the energy that enters the system. Another words replacing the electricity going in
is full usage of energy, but you still need more to move the car. Where will that come from. It’s not like recharging a battery to start the car.
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Kinetic Energy Recovery System(s) (KERS) has been used in F1 race cars for years. Braking energy used to dynamically recharge engine battery.
The Porsche Taycan (my next car) has that feature |
You can't recover enough energy to fully run the vehicle you're recovering from. That should be apparent. There are many systems to recover energy.
Actually, they're not recovering anything. The energy 'recovered' is taken away from where it was being applied, the running of the vehicle.
There is an interesting story from the Tales of Baron Munhausen. As the story goes, he and his horse accidentally end up in a bog and are sinking
rapidly. What to do? The clever Baron quickly comes to a solution. By pulling his hair on his head he lifts both himself and his horse out of the bog
to safety.
A fully recoverable running engine is as logical as this story.
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David K
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho | | Quote: Originally posted by David K | | Why can't the four rotating wheels (or other rotating parts) be made to double as generators to recharge the batteries while you are driving?
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Similar to the reason drinking bleach isn't the solution to COVID.   |
Sure it is... drink enough and you will NEVER die from Covid! 
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