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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 10:25 AM
The palm tree is going two feet under water



Check it out; Guaymas

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eureka.gif posted on 8-18-2021 at 10:53 AM
See for yourself the sea level rise: 1936 vs. 1953 vs. 2009 vs. 2017


Over 80 years of recorded history right here:

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Based on the rate of actual rise in the high tide line, I predict this beach will still be above water for another 80 years... maybe 800 years?




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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:08 AM


Climate change is being promoted just so countries can justify the expansion of government.

They are using it to wrestle control away from free enterprise. When was the last time the government innovated on anything?

Hard pass.



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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:08 AM


This thread will make a Wednesday more interesting. Cant wait to hear the insults from the “experts”. lol!
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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:21 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Climate change is being promoted just so countries can justify the expansion of government.

They are using it to wrestle control away from free enterprise.
When was the last time the government innovated on anything?

Hard pass.


[Edited on 8-18-2021 by JZ]


You're kidding, right? Do you just bypass all the evidence?
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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:28 AM


Since climate change is a natural event, it is pretty presumptuous to think humans are more powerful than Nature (or God). One volcanic eruption, one hurricane, one lightning-started forest fire, far outdoes us in altering the planet!

Let's see Al Gore or Leonardo de Caprio stop a volcano from erupting with American's tax dollars.

They need to take their demands to China where (dirty) coal power plants are springing up like wildfire... and pollution is unchecked. We in the West have done some really amazing work on being clean compared to all we produce for the world.

Nothing wrong with getting cleaner emissions but on a Global scale, if it is only us suffering to reduce emissions, it won't matter a hill of beans. The air and weather of the U.S. is not permanently fixed over us. It comes here from China and the rest of the world!




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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:29 AM


Pics of a palm tree with the tide at different heights is not proof of climate change.

Climate change is real, but this wouldn't be considered evidence.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:34 AM


I've been to China about 20 times. The pollution is so bad you can feel it burning your face. Let us know when they sign up for a Green New Deal.







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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:36 AM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Pics of a palm tree with the tide at different heights is not proof of climate change.

Climate change is real, but this wouldn't be considered evidence.



The wet sand is the high tide point... and for the 80+ years of photos, the palm tree is above high tide. The sea is not rising in any rate to cause fear and panic.

This is not just in Baja, either. I am now old enough to easily remember back over 50 years, where I have lived or camped on or near the shore: Del Mar, CA; all around Baja; Darwin, Australia... and when I look at these places on Google Earth... the sea is not higher. Only the sand has moved a bit.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:37 AM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
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You're kidding, right? Do you just bypass all the evidence?


You honestly think government bureaucrats can out smart mother nature?

Of course not. But they are smart enough to convince some ppl to let them have a massive expansion of govt. so they have more power and influence.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:45 AM


Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
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You're kidding, right? Do you just bypass all the evidence?


You honestly think government bureaucrats can out smart mother nature?

Of course not. But they are smart enough to convince some ppl to let them have a massive expansion of govt. so they have more power and influence.


They don’t have to outsmart Mother Nature, they just have to create framework to stop and reverse mans pollution.
Bureaucrats did a great job correcting problems with tools such as:
Clean water act
Clean air act
Endangered species act
RCRA
CERCLA

Polluters always complain about new laws to counteract their ill effects. Polluters always seek support of gullible rubes like DK and shorty mcjizzy.

Don’t be a gullible rube.




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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 11:55 AM


Their goals are much more ambitious Goat than a simple framework.

They want govt. to have its tentacles all over industry. So they have more power and wealth, and everyone else becomes equal.

It's a charade.


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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 12:21 PM


"When was the last time the government innovated on anything?"

A lot of our modern conveniences came because of government contracts to develop new technologies. I'm not sure where you draw the line that government does not create innovation.

Integrated Circuits (NASA)
Internet (ARPA, DARPA)
GPS Positioning (US military, USN)
Drone Technology (US Military)
Digital imaging,GIS mapping (NOAA and other agencies)
Stealth Technology (USAF)
Body Armor (US Army)
Advanced Battle Optics (US Army)

It's not just social programs and corporate welfare.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 02:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Pics of a palm tree with the tide at different heights is not proof of climate change.

Climate change is real, but this wouldn't be considered evidence.



The wet sand is the high tide point... and for the 80+ years of photos, the palm tree is above high tide. The sea is not rising in any rate to cause fear and panic.

This is not just in Baja, either. I am now old enough to easily remember back over 50 years, where I have lived or camped on or near the shore: Del Mar, CA; all around Baja; Darwin, Australia... and when I look at these places on Google Earth... the sea is not higher. Only the sand has moved a bit.

Speaking of Australia:





[Edited on 8-18-2021 by David K]


It's not even remotely close to the same palm tree 😂😂😂

Depending on the variety, palm trees only live between 70-100 years. The palm in the original photo is already quite old and dead by now.

[Edited on 8-18-2021 by BajaMama]
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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 03:21 PM


Same spot, same root system, be it different trunks or not. The place has been photographed many times over many years. Not one photo shows it reducing in height or vanishing.

Even if there was no palm... it is at the top of the beach, the water has not reached the top of the beach. There are many photos of that beach from high above on the old road... If the sea raised higher, that flat area behind the beach would be a lagoon. It is not. In any case, the same is true around the world... Even the Maldives are still above the sea. Banks would not loan money for beach houses if there was any truth to the sea level scare.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 03:25 PM


Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco  
This thread will make a Wednesday more interesting. Cant wait to hear the insults from the “experts”. lol!

We already heard it, seems to me.
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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 03:42 PM


Oh, I forgot the Manhattan Project. Government directed and funded innovation. What a blast.

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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 05:18 PM


so we invented all this cool stuff
measuring any surface of the planet by fractions of an inch with satellites
we have done that for a few decades now

then you guys come along and look (half drunk) at palm trees at the beach




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[*] posted on 8-18-2021 at 06:18 PM


Why do we think that what the climate is TODAY, is the "right" climate? What if plant and animal life, culture, technology, etc. will thrive in a warmer climate/temperatures? What if melting polar ice causes the ocean's salinity level to change, which will then change how humanity handles irrigation/drinking water, or increases certain species of species sustainability in the less salty ocean waters. Or maybe a cooler climate (remember that we have had concerns in the past 30-40 years of cooling along with the current concern around warming) will bring some changes that cause us some growth and benefit in various areas of our life.

Are we so self-centered as a race that we believe that the climate NOW is exactly what it should be, because, well... US!?!? Of course, our current climate COULD be the ideal climate for our planet. Or it could be that over the past few hundred or thousand years, we, as the human race, have adjusted to the "imperfect" climate that we've had... and a modification of that climate (warmer OR cooler) would be an overall benefit to humanity. Would we have to adjust? Sure. Would there be things that are negative? Sure.

The climate IS changing!! There's no disagreement there.
Is the change caused by humans? Most say yes!, some say No!.
What is the climate "supposed" to be? I don't know how to quantify the concept of what the climate "should be", in the scope of the impact to all of humanity.

I propose that us having to adjust our lives should not be the sole factor in our decisions around ANYTHING. Don't be selfish. (this statement can go to BOTH sides of this discussion)
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[*] posted on 8-19-2021 at 09:53 AM


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Pics of a palm tree with the tide at different heights is not proof of climate change.

Climate change is real, but this wouldn't be considered evidence.



The wet sand is the high tide point... and for the 80+ years of photos, the palm tree is above high tide. The sea is not rising in any rate to cause fear and panic.

This is not just in Baja, either. I am now old enough to easily remember back over 50 years, where I have lived or camped on or near the shore: Del Mar, CA; all around Baja; Darwin, Australia... and when I look at these places on Google Earth... the sea is not higher. Only the sand has moved a bit.

Speaking of Australia:





This photo is simply an illusion and does not help your case amigo as they are simply two images taken from different distances, obvious when you compare difference in apparent block row heights between the two photos.

A much better indicator would be to simply count the number of rows of block visible out of the water below the window and a visual count reveals that there are just over 13 rows of block above the water line in the recent photo and a little over 14 rows of block out of the water from 140 years ago.

That equates to a difference of roughly 6-8 inches, based on what block size they used.

My point is that such comparative photos are of little value in making a case for either side without knowing the complete story like the tide levels when the photos were taken and any and all other relative data.



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