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Bruce R Leech
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Your Survival in Baja
You have taken a 7 day back Pac and rock climbing trip with Ned your best friend in the mountains of northern Baja Sur. You have all the necessary
equipment and supplies for this trip. 4 days in to the adventure you have a bad accident. While trying to clime down a vertical face in to a canyon a
hand hold lets go and your friend falls to his death smashing his face into the rocks. He is dangling at the end of the rope. After several hours you
have no choice but to cut the rope and let him fall the rest oh the way to the bottom along with most of your equipment and supplies. You manage to
get back up to the top with a broken leg. You know it is broken but it is not a life threatening brake as long as you don?t put any wait on it. But
all you have left with only a small day Pac about 14 inches square bye 10 inches deep, a good hunting knife on your belt and the close on your back.
Also 2 one letter water bottles half full each.
Now here is where it gets fun. You Nomads tell me what you would want to be in the Day Pac. It can not include any food or any items that require
batteries or solar power because those items all went to the bottom of the canyon along with your best friend Ned. you can pick only 15 items but
they would all need to fit in that day Pac. Please list in order of importance to you.
[Edited on 4-14-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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Diver
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Satellite Phone
VHF Radio
Signal Flares or Smoke
Mirror
Tarp
Tequila
Jacket or Shirt
Chem Ice Pack
Toilet paper
Sunscreen
Painkillers
Ace Bandages
Good Book
[Edited on 4-14-2005 by Diver]
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Diver
Satellite Phone
VHF Radio
Tequila
Sunscreen
Painkillers
Signal Flares or Smoke
Ace Bandages
Good Book |
your first 2 cant count . nothing electric your Friend Ned rode that to the bottom
here are a couple of my favorites
duct tape
Bic liter
[Edited on 4-14-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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David K
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Well... you excluded important items I would have in my day pack... which is a Sat. phone (as soon as I can afford one), I would also have:
Water bottles or a camel pack.
First aid kit (inc. snake bite kit and signeling mirror),
Food bars & snacks (also not allowed on your list).
Swiss Army Knife and a hunting knife,
Baja Almanac and some satellite images from the new service we have been drooling over.
Matches and cig. lighter.
Some sky rockets or a flare gun.
That's about all I can think of, and is what we took on our hike up the Camino Real near Gonzaga.
Because water has the most weight of the items, there really isn't much more that can be carried. Leaving a cache of water halfway in is a good idea
to reduce weight, if you are returning the same way.
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Bob and Susan
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That's easy....
We'd ride out on the ATV we rode in on...never walk when you can ride
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Swiss Army Knife
small bottle of water
Matches in a pill bottle
Maybe a piece of string
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
That's easy....
We'd ride out on the ATV we rode in on...never walk when you can ride |
moor people git in to series trouble down here on motorcycles and ATVs than do the hikers because they can cover so much ground in a few hours . for
you Bob Imagen that you crashed your ATV in the same spot and broke your leg . this is a much likelier scenario than the one I posted.
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lizard lips
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There is only 1 thing I would need.....A bottle of really good tequila
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a folded 10' by 10' sheet of clear durable plastic (to make water with in some canyon drainage)
a sturdy sharp knife
a length of strong string or small diameter line
storm matches
a good whistle
a signal mirror
some thick aluminium foil
a parachute flare
a smoke canister
the book by Tom Brown on wilderness survival
a good wide brimmed hat
the tequila everyone else is mentioning
a rubix cube
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Nikon
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A Pencil
An Envelope
A Stamp
A blank check to make out to Merriam Webster, for a dictionary for YOU!
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lizard lips
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Nikon WINS! Im bustin a gut here.......
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Bruce R Leech
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I'm sorry I'm not a very good writer. I made a mistake in that I wrote the scenario for adventurous people and I should have written it about some who
gets lost on there ATV . I call them motorized wheel Charis. it seems like most of you didn't understand what this is all about. I think gringorio is
the only one. I was hoping to get people to put down the things that they though would be most likely to git them rescued or help them to be able to
git out on there own. I'm kind of disappointed in the response from some Nomads . I have even received some hate mail over this post .
it was getting kind of boring here in the last couple of days and I tried to do something to make it more interesting.
sorry about the spelling Nikon I do the best I can and I don't think I will ever be able to achieve the level of perfection that you have. mabey in
my next life.
[Edited on 4-14-2005 by Bruce R Leech]
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lizard lips
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Come on Bruce, I dont care how you spell as a matter of fact you git your message through with flying colors. My post was not intended to put you
down. When I work all day long and log in to this board in the evening Im looking for some entertainment and a few good laughs and Nikons post hit me
right in the funny bone. You said that things were dragging a little on the board and you were right. Please dont take anything we say personally
Bruce. Please explain the hate mail. What is tat all about. Who sent it to you? If you cant find out let me know and I will check it. You know what I
do for a living. Take a deep breath and get back to posting.......
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David K
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You are not always going to get the responces you think you will... so don't get too bummed out. Nikon and others probably forgot that you explained
the reason you spell poorly... Even I bugged you about it when you started posting here, then you shared your handicap with us...
Maybe to help understand what kind of list this is, besides the obvious, why no food or items using batteries?
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Maybe to help understand what kind of list this is, besides the obvious, why no food or items using batteries? |
David the reason I wrote that the food all went to the bottom with Ned is that I wanted it to be about survival not opening caned food. as you know
there is plenty of food and water in the mountains here. and as for the items using battery's the one single thing that would end this situation in a
hurry would be a satellite phone or a 2 meter radio. but as you know these thing always let you down when you need them the most. so I put all that
stuff at the bottom of the cliff with poor Ned.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by lizard lips
Come on Bruce, I dont care how you spell as a matter of fact you git your message through with flying colors. My post was not intended to put you
down. When I work all day long and log in to this board in the evening Im looking for some entertainment and a few good laughs and Nikons post hit me
right in the funny bone. You said that things were dragging a little on the board and you were right. Please dont take anything we say personally
Bruce. Please explain the hate mail. What is tat all about. Who sent it to you? If you cant find out let me know and I will check it. You know what I
do for a living. Take a deep breath and get back to posting....... |
thanks Lizard lips I don't understand why they sent me the hate mail over this post I really did not think I was offending anyone. I Will keep the
names of the people to my self for now .but if they continue to send that junk I will post it here.
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bajaloco
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Bruce...Don't let a few small minded people bother you. Here is my list...
1. Compass
2. Map
3. Water filtration pump
4. First aid kit, including ace bandages to wrap that busted leg
5. Signal mirror
6. Signal flares
7. Nylon cord
8. Slingshot
9. Plastic sheeting
10. Fishing line and hooks
11. Waterproof matches
12. Swiss army knife
13. Army mess kit
14. Extra pair of socks
15. Camping and Wilderness Survival book
The good thing is it's baja...hopefully your close to the ocean, and probably close to someone anywhere...
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Don Jorge
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
While trying to clime down a vertical face in to a canyon a hand hold lets go and your friend falls to his death smashing his face into the rocks. He
is dangling at the end of the rope. |
Well, lets see. First, I think we will rappel down. Ned and I climb up, rappel down. So there are no friggin handholds and our anchors are
bombproof.
So either Ned rappels off the rope, which is his friggin problem and I call for help to scrape his arss off the rocks or, of course, he did put a
stop at the end, came up short and jumars up, or he smashes his face and dies.\
Bruce, those I know who do this kind of stuff, have sat phones, would have the sat phone and phone#s in the daypack, with water, compass, topo, first
aid kit, mirror, whistle, multitool and firestarting stuff.
Food, I don't need no stinking food, that's why I carry this bellyfat! Packing a sat phone and not having it with you at all times is like driving
around Los Angeles with an unloaded pistol in your glove box. What good is it?
[Edited on 4-14-2005 by Don Jorge]
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Not to worry, Bruce. You do keep your posts mercifully short, for the most part. Long ones, like this one, tend to magnify your handicap. For which, I
believe, spellcheck was suggested. My post was humorous, admittedly at your expense, but still in jest. Ray Charles was able to laugh at his handicap;
when asked what the most difficult part was about being blind, he replied "not being able to see"
Asking a crowd of twelve-packers about a theoretical rock climbing expedition is like asking Mother Theresa about motorcycle maintenance. Maybe that's
why you're having problems over this. How about a pool, say, guessing the next date someone asks for a telephone number for Joaquin? Or that other
perennial favorite; "what's the road like south of San Felipe?" Without JR around it was bound to get boring. Two weeks ago, everyone was being
indignant about his penchant for verbal combat, and now he's quit posting. What didn't wash with me about it all, was why his posts drew five times
the number of views other subjects did. Which says a lot about the diff between what people say and what they do.
Start a new thread! Title it; "ATV's-Motorized Wheelchairs?" I guarantee you, you'll have all the fun you can stand.
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Bruce R Leech
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Don Jorge
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
While trying to clime down a vertical face in to a canyon a hand hold lets go and your friend falls to his death smashing his face into the rocks. He
is dangling at the end of the rope. |
Well, lets see. First, I think we will rappel down. Ned and I climb up, rappel down. So there are no friggin handholds and our anchors are
bombproof.
So either Ned rappels off the rope, which is his friggin problem and I call for help to scrape his arss off the rocks or, of course, he did put a
stop at the end, came up short and jumars up, or he smashes his face and dies.\
Bruce, those I know who do this kind of stuff, have sat phones, would have the sat phone and phone#s in the daypack, with water, compass, topo, first
aid kit, mirror, whistle, multitool and firestarting stuff.
Food, I don't need no stinking food, that's why I carry this Packing a sat phone and not having it with you at all times is like driving around Los
Angeles with an unloaded pistol in your glove box. What good is it? |
if you understood rock climbing better you would know that if you repel down a face then you cant recover your vary expensive rope and other
equipment at the top few rock climbers I know can afford to do this. and also I like to not litter a site with such things. so you rope up and clime
down recovering your gear as you go . this way you have it to use on the next leg of your hike .
as for the sat. phone it was in Ned's pack. all the food and other equipment was hanging on a rope below Ned. usually I climb this way with only a
small light pack on my back with only the enough water and equipment to do the climb.
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