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New US regs to bring dogs back to states
I haven't seen this discussed here. It's confusing to me and I worked in the government 35 years! Looks like mandatory chips for dogs and paperwork or
they won't allow you to cross northbound beginning in August.
https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-...
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I'm going to have to read through that a few times, just to make sure I follow the right turns. As of 4/28 they were not interested in seeing any
paperwork for my 90 pound co-pilot.
The only mention made about her was to keep her in the front seat while the agent went through my ice chest. She confiscated some opened lunch meat
and wouldn't even let me give it to my dog!
I was crossing northbound at San Luis
[Edited on 5-11-2024 by AKgringo]
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I wonder how it's going to affect the rescues that bring the dogs across the border to be adopted.
[Edited on 6-2-2024 by tjsue]
[Edited on 6-2-2024 by tjsue]
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I have crossed once or twice a year with my dog since 2012. Only once have I been asked for proof of vaccinations, and even then the agent did not
even look at the paper I was holding.
If I was bringing a dog into the US, I would go ahead and get a Mexican veterinarian to do the vaccinations and sign some paperwork. Getting the
vaccs is the right thing to do, and that would probably be accepted if they even ask.
Flying in with a dog is probably different.
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surabi
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FYI Mexico is a dog rabies-free country.
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Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  | I'm going to have to read through that a few times, just to make sure I follow the right turns. As of 4/28 they were not interested in seeing any
paperwork for my 90 pound co-pilot.
The only mention made about her was to keep her in the front seat while the agent went through my ice chest. She confiscated some opened lunch meat
and wouldn't even let me give it to my dog!
I was crossing northbound at San Luis
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That sort of move like preventing you from giving your dog the lunch meat so it could be "more appropriately" disposed of is such bullchit. I loose
what little respect i have for law enforcement when witnessing such silly behavior.
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I once was flying from Vancouver to Mexico, with a plane change in the US, so had to go through US customs at the Vancouver airport. I had an apple
with me, which was part of what I was going to eat for breakfast while waiting for the plane to board. They told me I had to throw the apple in the
garbage. I said I was planning on eating it in 5 minutes in the boarding area, not importing it to the US, and that I would eat it right then and
there if necessary. She made me throw it in the garbage can. So ridiculous and a total waste of food, just to be an officious jerk.
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| Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob | | Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | I'm going to have to read through that a few times, just to make sure I follow the right turns. As of 4/28 they were not interested in seeing any
paperwork for my 90 pound co-pilot.
The only mention made about her was to keep her in the front seat while the agent went through my ice chest. She confiscated some opened lunch meat
and wouldn't even let me give it to my dog!
I was crossing northbound at San Luis
[Edited on 5-11-2024 by AKgringo] |
That sort of move like preventing you from giving your dog the lunch meat so it could be "more appropriately" disposed of is such bullchit. I loose
what little respect i have for law enforcement when witnessing such silly behavior. |
| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | I once was flying from Vancouver to Mexico, with a plane change in the US, so had to go through US customs at the Vancouver airport. I had an apple
with me, which was part of what I was going to eat for breakfast while waiting for the plane to board. They told me I had to throw the apple in the
garbage. I said I was planning on eating it in 5 minutes in the boarding area, not importing it to the US, and that I would eat it right then and
there if necessary. She made me throw it in the garbage can. So ridiculous and a total waste of food, just to be an officious jerk.
[Edited on 5-11-2024 by surabi]
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You people are ridiculous prima donnas. The customs lines deal with an endless stream of people, the customs officers cant be adjusting rules for
every prima donna that crosses each day.
No, you cant feed your illegal meat to your dog.
No, you cant keep your illegal fruit for a snack.
No, the line cant wait while you eat your apple and feed your dog.
Customs is one size fits all. Follow the rules, and don't ask for special rule bending because you are feeling special.
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Back on topic, as Surabi pointed out, Mexico has made great progress in preventing animal to human rabies infections. If that is the case, why
wouldn't a Mexican veterinary certificate of vaccination be acceptable?
For what it is worth, despite the progress Mexico has made by vaccinating dogs, there are other animals that can carry rabies, and sometimes without
symptoms.
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"She wouldn't even let me feed it to my dog."
That line led to all these off-topic rants? Come on people, this thread is about dogs, not dogma! How about some edits to stay on topic?
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | That line led to all these off-topic rants? Come on people, this thread is about dogs, not dogma! How about some edits to stay on topic?
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Know the rules. Be prepared. Plan ahead. And don't complain when you screw up and it is your fault.
I clean my car of verboten items before i cross the border.
I empty my water bottle before i go thru TSA at airport.
I guy gasoline before my vehicle’s tank runs dry.
If i am inconvenienced because i forget to do these things, i don't lash out at others, i blame myself.
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I was crossing at Tecate some years back with my dogs. When the grumpy lady asked for the health certificates.....and then protested about them being
in Spanish . She felt better after confiscating a single hard boiled egg from the cooler.
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I think it's good to have some innocuous but nevertheless "verboten" item with you, which you obviously haven't made any attempt to hide, when
crossing borders as a sort of decoy to being majorly hassled. Once they find something like a hard boiled egg, an apple, or an open package of
sandwich meat, they can confiscate it and feel they've done their job and let you know who's boss.
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Back to topic:
Mexico is not on the list of "High Risk" countries.
If a country or political unit is not listed below, it is not considered high risk for importing dog rabies into the United States. Therefore, if
the country is not listed, CDC strongly recommends vaccination against rabies, but the additional requirements for dogs from high-risk countries to
enter the United States do not apply.
https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-...
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita |
Mexico is not on the list of "High Risk" countries. It appears that these new regulations, therefore, Do Not apply.
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Thanks for pointing that out!
I am concerned not just with being legal, I want my dog to stay healthy as well, so I keep her current with vaccinations against strictly canine
diseases.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
I think it's good to have some innocuous but nevertheless "verboten" item with you, which you obviously haven't made any attempt to hide, when
crossing borders as a sort of decoy to being majorly hassled. Once they find something like a hard boiled egg, an apple, or an open package of
sandwich meat, they can confiscate it and feel they've done their job and let you know who's boss.
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Why would I flock around with decoys to distract agent from contraband? They will yank my sentri. I am willing to throw away food now and then to
continue my sentri privilege… and i dont bring in alcohol or goods above the allowable limits (‘cause i like my sentri), so i dont see need for
decoys.
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Sounds as if you aren't aware that if bitten by a dog that is carrying rabies, immediate treatment is necessary to prevent the spread of infection or
the disease is fatal. Not only fatal, but the symptoms experienced before dying are horrible.
It isn't about dogs being healthy, it's about preventing rabies infections and death if bitten.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Maderita |
Back to topic:
Mexico is not on the list of "High Risk" countries. It appears that these new regulations, therefore, Do Not apply.
If a country or political unit is not listed below, it is not considered high risk for importing dog rabies into the United States. Therefore, if
the country is not listed, CDC strongly recommends vaccination against rabies, but the additional requirements for dogs from high-risk countries to
enter the United States do not apply.
https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-...
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¨Therefore, if the country is not listed, CDC strongly recommends vaccination against rabies, but the additional requirements for dogs from high-risk
countries to enter the United States do not apply.¨
CDC strongly recommends vaccination against rabies
While Mexico was certified by the WHO as being a country without dog to human transmission of rabies, it should be understood that this type of
situation is susceptible to change. It evolves over tme. And, dog rabies cases are still found in Mexico. They just haven´t had a confirmed dog to
human transmission in many years.
As an example, look at the situation experienced in Bali in the not too distant past. There never had been a confirmed case of dog rabies there, and
never a case of dog to human rabies transmission. It was a well known fact that you could not get rabies from a dog bite in Bali, so post exposure
rabies treatment was not given to people that were biten by dogs. Then the day came when a person did get rabies from a dog bite on Bali. Before the
change in the situation could be fully understood and new information disseminated, 100 people had died on Bali of rabies contracted via dog bites.
In Mexico, cattle are the main reservoir for rabies (and thousands of them are found to be rabid every year in Mexico), while the vampire bat is the
main vector for the spread of the virus to other species. Historically, the vampire bat has not inhabited northern Mexico, but this is thought to be
changing now, with vampire bats being found recently as far north as southern Texas.
It really is a good idea to keep your dogs up to date on rabies vaccination.
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I didn't say anything about "distracting from contraband". Trying to smuggle contraband across borders is quite foolish.
By "decoy" I meant that if they find some innocuous thing like a piece of fruit and confiscate it, they usually
seem satisfied and then just wave you on through without any further hassles.
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Other rabies vectors
I have not run into any racoons in Baja, but my dog and I have had interactions with skunks, foxes and coyotes. Any one of them has the potential to
pass the disease to my dog, or me if for some reason I can't stay away from them!
A bite is the usual way they pass rabies, but animals grooming each other, or even just playing hard could do it. Open wounds, eyes and mucus
membranes are potential entry points.
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