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SOUTH DAKOTA...THE DEFINITIVE GUIDE

Udo - 10-3-2013 at 10:40 AM

As many of you know, I cave covered and answered many question on this forum regarding South Dakota Registration.

However, I would like to give you our experiences when we went to Rapid City, South Dakota to obtain our driver's licenses.
We stayed at the America's Mailbox motel, which made it real convenient to handle vehicle tag transfers, plus they issued a receipt with their address and our PMB number, which we have had for several years at their location (our coach is registered there).
After spending the night there, we drove to the DMV office (about 5 miles from there).
When we walked into the DMV office we were greeted by 5 smiling eployees, and there was no line.
The DMV (which only issues driver's licenses), required that we show proof of the motel receipt, (our residency requirement), US passports, the old driver's license, and something with your social security number on it (SS card, W-2, etc). They had us fill out a short questionnaire. Then they verified our documents, pass a 40 second vision test, took our photos, and 40 seconds later they handed us a fully laminated DLs...Jana's and mine. Total time there was less than ten minutes!
So now we are legal residents of South Dakota, a state with NO INCOME TAX!

We also needed to transfer several California tagged vehicles. The America's Mailbox operations office handled that for us by having us sign a power of attorney. Very nice of them, when you have one of their PMB's. The vehicle license is handled at the county treasurer's office and there is normally a 3-4 hour line there because of all the people who wish to register their vehicles in SD because of their lower registration fees (for example, our coach in California would have been over $6,000. In SD our registration is $270 per year).

The America's mail box employees were also super friendly and made you feel right at home:



Here is the written information I gathered to share with you:










On the return trip, we decided to do some sight seeing and decided to visit Mt. Rushmore...

BUT...

We went there on the day the Feds shot down the government, which included the park service facility. The entrance to the park was blocked off, and park rangers were busy coning off ALL the turnouts so no one was able to legally stop their car and take photos of the Monument to our past presidents. We did manage to stop illegally and take some photos (what were the rangers going to do, pull in behind us and give us a ticket? Legally they were unemployed and no longer part of the law enforcement regiment).

Photo of Jana and myself near the President's heads:



We go to this sign before the rangers coned off the turnout.


Along the way we got REAL LUCKY and saw a mountain goat and her fowl grazing on the side of the road:





Notice the road cones blocking off the PUBLIC turnout (the state control's the roads, not the park services). So here is the profile shot of the President;



We, again, illegally stopped next to a guard rail to take a photo of this gorgeous lake:



Along the road (about 50 miles), there were several interpretive sites that explained the geology, the geography, history and topography of the areas near the Black Hills.




We also stopped at CUSTER park (private) and noticed the progress of the granite carving and the work being done with dynamite blasting to carve out the figure of Custer's horse.



Our Lakota Native American guide:


At the Custer museum, there was a bronze statue depicting a likeness of Crazy Horse and his fallen horse.


The museum also housed a $5,000,000 collection of arrowheads:



At the entrance to the town of Custer, one was greeted by this sign:



Here are a couple of photos for my friends in Ensenada:







In conclusion, the trip from Denver (here is Denver Gas Price:)



The trip was really worth while. We will save countless $ on the no income tax, and lower vehicle registration fees. The drive from Denver was about 6 hours, and speed average was 75 MPH (that was the legal speed limit in all but the city areas throughout the states). Gas prices ranged from $3.15 per gallon of regular in Nebraska, $3.25 in Wyoming, $3.40 in South Dakota.
I WOULD recommend this procedure for all the US and Canadian citizens living in Baja.

[Edited on 10-3-2013 by Udo]

Lee - 10-3-2013 at 10:55 AM

Man o man -- kudos for posting this great information. This is a great service for many people. I like SD!

durrelllrobert - 10-3-2013 at 11:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Udo

We went there on the day the Feds shot down the government, which included the park service facility. The entrance to the park was blocked off, and park rangers were busy coning off ALL the turnouts so no one was able to legally stop their car and take photos of the Monument to our past presidents. We did manage to stop illegally and take some photos (what were the rangers going to do, pull in behind us and give us a ticket? Legally they were unemployed and no longer part of the law enforcement regiment).

Photo of Jana and myself near the President's heads:



With the US side closed you should have gone to the Canadian side.

Udo - 10-3-2013 at 11:03 AM

Highly humorous, Bob!

Thanks for that!

Bajaboy - 10-3-2013 at 11:08 AM

Why not support the state you live in?

edm1 - 10-3-2013 at 11:25 AM

Udo, did you have to drive your motorhome there. How about emmisions requirements?

Thanks for sharing the experience.

DENNIS - 10-3-2013 at 11:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


South Dakota is a "Safe Haven" for a Californian. :light:

Hook - 10-3-2013 at 12:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


In my case, I dont live in a state anymore. So, S. Dakota is a great option.

No smog requirements. No state income tax. Vehicle registration by mail. PMBs OK for an address.

We bought a new RV in Iowa that year and the new vehicle/sales/use tax that almost all states charge was only 4% in SD. The RV dealer allowed us to delay paying that tax until we got to the state we were registering it in. We then paid it directly to the state of SD.

However, the Feds have forced SD to begin asking for a specific form about residency and requiring the receipt from an RV park or a hotel to prove you at least have been in the state. That's new since 2008, when we originally applied for our SD DLs.

One other new thing of note. We still possess our PMB in Sioux Falls, SD, but that is in the eastern end of SD. We renewed with no problem in Rapid City about a month before Udo. But we originally registered our vehicles in Sioux Falls, too, and the county treasurer in Rapid City could not process those for us (it could have been done by mail, but we figured we would do it in person, while getting our DLs). No worries. SD now has high tech kiosks set up in cities around the state that allow you to pay for registration and the spit out the tags for renewal. THIS IS NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME REGISTERER OF VEHICLES; YOU MUST ALREADY HAVE REGISTERED VEHICLES IN SD!!! But there was a kiosk in the State Govt offices in Rapid City and we used it. This saved us from having to drive all the way to Sioux Falls as our tags were about to expire.

So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really.

Udo - 10-3-2013 at 12:24 PM

No I did not, ed. Just sent the title to Americas Mail Box, and they did everything else.
The only reason I went to SD was to obtain the DL for my wife and I and the no state tax.

Why not support the state I live in?

We will only be in California a few more months, the move to Baja permanently. Why should I support the California Economy?
Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Udo, did you have to drive your motorhome there. How about emmisions requirements?

Thanks for sharing the experience.
:?::?:

TMW - 10-3-2013 at 12:25 PM

I worked for a company in San Diego and the owner registered all the company vehicles in OR. He had a ranch up there and at the time, late 90s, each vehicle was only about $30 or $40 compared to CA $400+.

[Edited on 10-3-2013 by TW]

Hook - 10-3-2013 at 01:10 PM

edm1, your vehicle must have the Federally mandated emission controls for the year that it was sold.

But, in terms of testing for emissions, only vehicles registered in an area with a Federally mandated AQMD need to have them tested for emissions. There is no AQMD in all of South Dakota so there is no mandated testing for smog at the time of registration or renewal.

Bajaboy - 10-3-2013 at 01:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


In my case, I dont live in a state anymore. So, S. Dakota is a great option.

No smog requirements. No state income tax. Vehicle registration by mail. PMBs OK for an address.

We bought a new RV in Iowa that year and the new vehicle/sales/use tax that almost all states charge was only 4% in SD. The RV dealer allowed us to delay paying that tax until we got to the state we were registering it in. We then paid it directly to the state of SD.

However, the Feds have forced SD to begin asking for a specific form about residency and requiring the receipt from an RV park or a hotel to prove you at least have been in the state. That's new since 2008, when we originally applied for our SD DLs.

One other new thing of note. We still possess our PMB in Sioux Falls, SD, but that is in the eastern end of SD. We renewed with no problem in Rapid City about a month before Udo. But we originally registered our vehicles in Sioux Falls, too, and the county treasurer in Rapid City could not process those for us (it could have been done by mail, but we figured we would do it in person, while getting our DLs). No worries. SD now has high tech kiosks set up in cities around the state that allow you to pay for registration and the spit out the tags for renewal. THIS IS NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME REGISTERER OF VEHICLES; YOU MUST ALREADY HAVE REGISTERED VEHICLES IN SD!!! But there was a kiosk in the State Govt offices in Rapid City and we used it. This saved us from having to drive all the way to Sioux Falls as our tags were about to expire.

So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really.


Interesting...makes sense I suppose if you full time in Mexico or on the road.

edm1 - 10-3-2013 at 02:20 PM

" ...So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really. ..."

Can you just fly, rather than drive?

Vince - 10-3-2013 at 02:22 PM

South Dakota has always been a GREAT state. Because of family ties there, I went to college there from CA. Of course, I missed CA at the time (mid '50's), but it was totally worth it getting to know all the wonderful people that inhabit the state. I didn't have a car then, but I needed a driver's license, so I went to the Clay County courthouse and bought one for 50 cents. What a deal that was, no tests at all. After all these years, I still go back for reunions and visits. I had my full time Mexico car registered there because they don't require proof of insurance. They are very accommodating.

edm1 - 10-3-2013 at 02:27 PM

It's starting to sound like South Dakota is THE true land of the free! I'm sure someone here will have a rebuttal:-)

What other states even come close to SD?


[Edited on 10-3-2013 by edm1]

Hook - 10-3-2013 at 03:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
" ...So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really. ..."

Can you just fly, rather than drive?


Yeah, I misspoke. You could fly. A decent low cost airline, Allegiant, flies to Rapid City and Sioux Falls, I believe.

Udo - 10-3-2013 at 03:10 PM

I asked about renewals...
The clerk stated that all vehicle and DL renewals can be done on-line, once one has a SD DL.
Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
" ...So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really. ..."

Can you just fly, rather than drive?

Its a money maker

durrelllrobert - 10-3-2013 at 04:09 PM

I've been getting both of my vehicles registered in Clay County S.D. since 2007 all done by phone except for mailing the check. The total population of Clay County is 14,131 as of 2012 and I'm sure some of those just have a PMB there like Udo.

The S.D. plates are formatted like this: 2 digits for county, one letter, space, one letter and 2 digits ( !9A B19). This combination allows 7,290,000 unique numbers for the whole state.

When I first got mine all Clay County plates started with 19 which meant the they were assigned 72,900 of those combinations which would seem reasonable given the small population. At todays population of 14,131 that would allow every man, woman and child in the county to own more than 5 cars.

However, sometime in 2011 Clay County's 19 designation ran out and their designation changed to 20 for another 72,900 combinations and lately I've even seen a few S.D. plated cars around here with 22 as the first two digits but I don't know if they are also fro Clay County.

The street I live on at Lomas Del Mar has 7 houses on it and the first 6 have one or more vehicles with S.D. plates and the last one has BCN plates. Since I live full time in Baja I can register my cars in any state I choose too and that would be S.D. My GIECO insurance cards are for S.D.

So far I have only been stopped once in CA (actually not stopped but involved in a fender bender) and even though my DL was not from S.D. it was no problem with matching plates and insurance card. I just explained that I live in Baja and couldn't get a Mexican DL and CA was closest state. Besides, Brown has now signed legislation allowing undocumented persons to get them.

Udo - 10-3-2013 at 04:30 PM

It was at the DMV office in Rapid City, SD.
The clerks were under 25 years old and perhaps not fully up to date on their information.
Their DMV web site still showed all the versions of ID's necessary to obtain a SD DL.
That information has been outdated since 2009, but is still posted on their website.

Hook - 10-3-2013 at 04:33 PM

I deleted my post as it may be that we were required to show up in person, due to that Federally required form. That was not a requirement in 2008.

So, rather than post info that may not have been correct, I deleted it.

[Edited on 10-3-2013 by Hook]

bajabuddha - 10-3-2013 at 10:59 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
It's starting to sound like South Dakota is THE true land of the free! I'm sure someone here will have a rebuttal:-)

What other states even come close to SD?

South Dakota is truly the home of the full-time RV'er. I have friends there, and they are always asked, ''are you REALLY from there?" when in Baja, or most anywhere else for that matter. Watch the plates as you travel the beaches. Next to Beautiful BS.... er, i mean BC, it'll rank close to CA for multiples.

Now, lemme mention another State, if you're a disabled Vet. New Mexico loves their vets, and has a lot of incentives to retire here. There's a web site that lists all of the States of the Union, and each State's benefits for disabled vets (from about 50% disabled upwards). Being from the southwest, i looked at UT, AZ, CA, NV, ID, etc... NM is truly a blessing. This is NOT federal funding or federal bennies at all, but what each State offers, starting with FREE fishing licenses for LIFE.... i was hooked (pun intended). Dunno about South Dakota, but it's a looooonnnng drive north. NM fits my bill just fine, thank them.

Like the fly said standing on the mirror, "well, that's another way of looking at it.... "
:O


[Edited on 10-3-2013 by edm1]

bajabuddha - 10-3-2013 at 11:01 PM

Last post was NOT edited by original author, was supposed to be a 'quote' and reply. Sowwy.. dunno how it happened. Dag-nab it.

yellowklr - 10-4-2013 at 05:45 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


maybe because its a left wing tax you to death state???

Bajaboy - 10-4-2013 at 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by yellowklr
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


maybe because its a left wing tax you to death state???


Yes, yes it is. Keeps out the riff raff:lol:

bajaguy - 10-4-2013 at 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy

Yes, yes it is. Keeps out the riff raff:lol:





Too bad you let Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein escape :lol:

oladulce - 10-4-2013 at 12:22 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook

One other new thing of note. We still possess our PMB in Sioux Falls, SD, but that is in the eastern end of SD. We renewed with no problem in Rapid City about a month before Udo...
So, we still are obligated to drive to SD every five years to renew our licenses. Not so bad, really.


Hook
To clarify, your renewed your DL's in Rapid City using your Sioux Falls address?

Online driver's license renewal from the SD Dept public safety website:
Quote:

Online Renewal You may renew your driver license or ID card online once every ten years, provided you meet the following criteria: You must have a federally compliant South Dakota driver license or ID card (a gold star in the upper right corner of your license/card indicates it is federally compliant) You must provide a vision statement (the vision exam must be within the past six months) You must provide two proof of address documents (documents must be no more than one year old) You must have a credit/debit card (Visa or MasterCard) to make your payment You must be a U.S. Citizen To renew your driver license or ID card online click Online Renewal


Just checked DLs and no gold stars so we will make the trip in a couple years too. Coming up with a recent "vision exam" from BCS will be challenging...?

[Edited on 10-4-2013 by oladulce]

mtgoat666 - 10-4-2013 at 12:23 PM

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Originally posted by Bajaboy
Quote:
Originally posted by yellowklr
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


maybe because its a left wing tax you to death state???


Yes, yes it is. Keeps out the riff raff:lol:


i have always found it more enjoyable to be a part of my neighborhood. that neighborhood happens to be California, it's where i vote, and where i pay taxes.

CA does cost more in terms of taxes, COL, etc., relative to South Dakota - but pay is also much better in CA relative to SD, and the cities and public lands here in CA have more appeal to me than those in SD. SD has no beach or real mountains, and is too cold in winter. SD? no thanks! the "SoCal sunshine tax" is OK by me!

bajaguy - 10-4-2013 at 12:28 PM

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Originally posted by mtgoat666
i have always found it more enjoyable to be a part of my neighborhood. that neighborhood happens to be California, it's where i vote, and where i pay taxes.

CA does cost more in terms of taxes, COL, etc., relative to South Dakota - but pay is also much better in CA relative to SD, and the cities and public lands here in CA have more appeal to me than those in SD. SD has no beach or real mountains, and is too cold in winter. SD? no thanks! the "SoCal sunshine tax" is OK by me!





If you are retired and living in Mexico, there is no need to financially support California.

South Dakota welcomes foreign residents and snowbirds and makes it financially attractive to claim as home of record........California doesn't.

BajaLuna - 10-4-2013 at 01:56 PM

this is a great post, Udo! Very detailed, helpful, and informative!

Last year we went through SD on our road trip to Maine and spent a few days there and loved it, it truly is beautiful country! Thanks for sharing these pics!

thanks again for taking the time to post all this great information!

Ateo - 10-4-2013 at 03:16 PM

It is snowing in South Dakota today. Udo, you got back just in time. =)

David K - 10-4-2013 at 03:29 PM

Thanks Udo...

Last time I checked, South Dakota and California were both in the same country. When one part of the country does not act in the best interest of its citizens, they have a duty to not reward bad behavior. Look at how many businesses (and jobs) left California for better places. Bad politics should not force people (or business) to move from their homes...

Udo - 10-4-2013 at 04:56 PM

You are quite welcome, Krystal!
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Originally posted by BajaLuna
this is a great post, Udo! Very detailed, helpful, and informative!

Last year we went through SD on our road trip to Maine and spent a few days there and loved it, it truly is beautiful country! Thanks for sharing these pics!

thanks again for taking the time to post all this great information!

Udo - 10-4-2013 at 04:58 PM

I noticed that on the TV news.
When we were there on Monday, it was about 40 degrees and the wind was blowing about 40 knots!
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
It is snowing in South Dakota today. Udo, you got back just in time. =)

Udo - 10-4-2013 at 05:03 PM

I forgot to mention in my earlier post, that if you sign up for the www.americas-mailbox.com
process. be sure to mention that the Winkler's referred you at PMB 3060 (do not write down the referral number on the piece of paper.)

I'll receive a restaurant certificate for the referral.


[Edited on 10-5-2013 by Udo]

Udo - 10-4-2013 at 05:06 PM

Also, if you have a Facebook account, I posted most of our trip photos there.

Hook - 10-4-2013 at 05:38 PM

Yes, it's no problem renewing your DL anywhere in the State, at any DMV, regardless of your address.

Renewing vehicle registrations while in state are another matter. It's best to do that at one of the kiosks I mentioned or, even better, completely by mail.

My license does have the gold star, though it has an expiration date five years out. It appears I will be able to renew on line next time. The wife tells me that the lack of the Federal document was our hangup at renewing on line this past time.

edm1 - 10-4-2013 at 05:57 PM

And what's the requirement for a Federal status?

YOUR state taxes at work

durrelllrobert - 10-4-2013 at 07:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Thanks Udo...

Last time I checked, South Dakota and California were both in the same country. When one part of the country does not act in the best interest of its citizens, they have a duty to not reward bad behavior. Look at how many businesses (and jobs) left California for better places. Bad politics should not force people (or business) to move from their homes...


South Dakota State Agencies and funded facilities:

Board of Regents
Department of Education
Department of Health
Department of Labor & Regulation
Department of Revenue
Department of Corrections
Department of Social Services
Department of Motor Vehicles
Animal Industry Board
Department of Public Safety/ Highway Patrol
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs
South Dakota Arts Council
State Employee Health Plan
Bureau of Finance and Management
Bureau of Human Resources
Bureau of Information & Telecommunications
Division of Criminal Investigation
Department of Environment and Natural Resources
Disaster Recovery Agency
Commission on Gaming
Game, Fish and Parks
State Historical Society
South Dakota State Library
South Dakota Lottery


Wow, a total of 24
Now look at California. Too many to count.

California State Agencies and funded facilities:

California Academic Performance Index (API) * California Access for Infants and Mothers * California Acupuncture Board * California Administrative Office of the Courts * California Adoptions Branch * California African American Museum * California Agricultural Export Program * California Agricultural Labor Relations Board * California Agricultural Statistics Service * California Air Resources Board (CARB) * California Allocation Board * California Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority * California Animal Health and Food Safety Services * California Anti-Terrorism Information Center * California Apprenticeship Council * California Arbitration Certification Program * California Architects Board * California Area VI Developmental Disabilities Board * California Arts Council * California Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus * California Assembly Democratic Caucus * California Assembly Republican Caucus * California Athletic Commission * California Attorney General * California Bay Conservation and Development Commission * California Bay-Delta Authority * California Bay-Delta Office * California Biodiversity Council * California Board for Geologists and Geophysicists * California Board for Professional Engineers and Land Surveyors * California Board of Accountancy * California Board of Barbering and Cosmetology * California Board of Behavioral Sciences * California Board of Chiropractic Examiners * California Board of Equalization (BOE) * California Board of Forestry and Fire Protection * California Board of Guide Dogs for the Blind * California Board of Occupational Therapy * California Board of Optometry * California Board of Pharmacy * California Board of Podiatric Medicine * California Board of Prison Terms * California Board of Psychology * California Board of Registered Nursing * California Board of Trustees * California Board of Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians * California Braille and Talking Book Library * 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Ateo - 10-4-2013 at 08:48 PM

I am ignorant. Can someone tell me why you can't or shouldn't register your vehicle in Mexico, once you live there permanently? This will prove my newbie and dumbarse status.

oladulce - 10-5-2013 at 01:09 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
And what's the requirement for a Federal status?


As of Dec31,2009 driver's licenses and ID cards require an Identity document like a passport plus proof of social security number such as a w-2, or SS card etc.

We got our SD DL's in Nov 2009 and they only asked for our CA licenses for ID so we don't have the gold star and will have to visit in person again in 2015 to renew.

David K - 10-5-2013 at 07:06 AM

Bob, that is some list... proves the point that a state can have TOO MUCH government. No wonder people in CA are hurting, there's no money circulating in private hands. The government has it all and tries to do it all... taking opportunity away from citizens (to provide better service and lower prices).

If more government (socialism) is good, then why did the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics collapse? Too much power in the hands of too few people does not serve the citizens other than to enslave them to dependence. It has been said that to surrender your liberty for security provides neither.

Udo - 10-5-2013 at 07:09 AM

A US issued passport.
Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
And what's the requirement for a Federal status?

Udo - 10-5-2013 at 07:16 AM

It isn't that you can't or shouldn't, Ateo.

It's the hassle, politics and money involved.
Starting with you having to drive to one of the US port of entries and "import" the vehicle you wish to register. SOME vehicles you are not allowed to import, no matter what, and by the time you are done with the import fees...upward of $400.00 US+ (I am not positive of this, since all I know is what I have read on Nomads and other Baja bulletin boards.)
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
I am ignorant. Can someone tell me why you can't or shouldn't register your vehicle in Mexico, once you live there permanently? This will prove my newbie and dumbarse status.

DENNIS - 10-5-2013 at 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It has been said that to surrender your liberty for security provides neither.


"History of the Quote"

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."

BajaNomad - 10-5-2013 at 09:09 AM

Some prior threads regarding South Dakota vehicle registration:

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=68010
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=61768
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=61311
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=55225
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=53029
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=48836
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=45710
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=34311
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=30448#pid3066...

DENNIS - 10-5-2013 at 09:22 AM

Not to be an alarmist, but one of the advantages of SD registration, no smog requirements, may be tested in the not too distant future here in Mexico.
It's been mentioned before, but there are two Smog Inspection stations in Ensenada, and more on the way.
Mexico tends to catch up slowly, but they do catch up.

edm1 - 10-5-2013 at 12:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It has been said that to surrender your liberty for security provides neither.


"History of the Quote"

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."


Very good Dennis!

DK, I pity the generation(s) after us, my offsprings and grandchild included, as today imho life in the US is inferior compared to 30 years ago at my prime. Our children despite of the better beginnings and education just are not having the same quality of life that we had then. I don't know if it's an isolated situation but I see often many young adults need parents' help to keep up with their needs, rather than the other way around during our prime, when we were the ones helping our parents who hailed from the depression era. I'm afraid that as soon as the $ is displaced as the intenational currency, the US will follow the fate of USSR. We won't be able to just print money.

David K - 10-5-2013 at 12:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It has been said that to surrender your liberty for security provides neither.


"History of the Quote"

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."


Very good Dennis!

DK, I pity the generation(s) after us, my offsprings and grandchild included, as today imho life in the US is inferior compared to 30 years ago at my prime. Our children despite of the better beginnings and education just are not having the same quality of life that we had then. I don't know if it's an isolated situation but I see often many young adults need parents' help to keep up with their needs, rather than the other way around during our prime, when we were the ones helping our parents who hailed from the depression era. I'm afraid that as soon as the $ is displaced as the intenational currency, the US will follow the fate of USSR. We won't be able to just print money.


Art, you are so right on! Imagine our parents or grandparents being told that their 'children' need to be left on parent's health insurance until they are 26! :lol:

If you are 26 and still dependent on your parents, that is just sad...

However, the truth is our economy is so devastated by an ever growing, and fat government and stifling regulations against business, many of our kids make little more than entry level wages... even with college degrees or technical training. More stupid government/ less freedom and opportunity.

DENNIS - 10-5-2013 at 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
I pity the generation(s) after us, my offsprings and grandchild included,


As I pity the relationship between parents and kids, which would be very quiet if the parent didn't have at least a basic understanding of computers.

Bajaboy - 10-5-2013 at 03:02 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by David K
Quote:
Originally posted by edm1
Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote:
Originally posted by David K
It has been said that to surrender your liberty for security provides neither.


"History of the Quote"

This statement was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759) which was attributed to Franklin in the edition of 1812, but in a letter of September 27, 1760 to David Hume, he states that he published this book and denies that he wrote it, other than a few remarks that were credited to the Pennsylvania Assembly, in which he served. The phrase itself was first used in a letter from that Assembly dated November 11, 1755 to the Governor of Pennsylvania. An article on the origins of this statement here includes a scan that indicates the original typography of the 1759 document, which uses an archaic form of "s": "Thoſe who would give up Essential Liberty to purchaſe a little Temporary Safety, deſerve neither Liberty nor Safety." Researchers now believe that a fellow diplomat by the name of Richard Jackson is the primary author of the book. With the information thus far available the issue of authorship of the statement is not yet definitely resolved, but the evidence indicates it was very likely Franklin, who in the Poor Richard's Almanack of 1738 is known to have written a similar proverb: "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:

"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither."
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security."
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither."
"Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither."


Very good Dennis!

DK, I pity the generation(s) after us, my offsprings and grandchild included, as today imho life in the US is inferior compared to 30 years ago at my prime. Our children despite of the better beginnings and education just are not having the same quality of life that we had then. I don't know if it's an isolated situation but I see often many young adults need parents' help to keep up with their needs, rather than the other way around during our prime, when we were the ones helping our parents who hailed from the depression era. I'm afraid that as soon as the $ is displaced as the intenational currency, the US will follow the fate of USSR. We won't be able to just print money.


Art, you are so right on! Imagine our parents or grandparents being told that their 'children' need to be left on parent's health insurance until they are 26! :lol:

If you are 26 and still dependent on your parents, that is just sad...

However, the truth is our economy is so devastated by an ever growing, and fat government and stifling regulations against business, many of our kids make little more than entry level wages... even with college degrees or technical training. More stupid government/ less freedom and opportunity.


My parents got insurance from their employers as well as a pension/retirement. That's not quite the case nowadays. But keep rambling away...I'm sure someone is listening....:lol:

Ateo - 10-5-2013 at 03:18 PM

Thanks for the explanation Udo.
Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
It isn't that you can't or shouldn't, Ateo.

It's the hassle, politics and money involved.
Starting with you having to drive to one of the US port of entries and "import" the vehicle you wish to register. SOME vehicles you are not allowed to import, no matter what, and by the time you are done with the import fees...upward of $400.00 US+ (I am not positive of this, since all I know is what I have read on Nomads and other Baja bulletin boards.)


Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
I am ignorant. Can someone tell me why you can't or shouldn't register your vehicle in Mexico, once you live there permanently? This will prove my newbie and dumbarse status.

DENNIS - 10-5-2013 at 03:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
But keep rambling away...I'm sure someone is listening....:lol:



Seems you are, Zac. :lol:

Udo - 10-5-2013 at 05:35 PM

You are welcome Ateo...


but with over 3100 posts on Nomad, you are a long way from a newbie!
Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Thanks for the explanation Udo.



Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
It isn't that you can't or shouldn't, Ateo.

It's the hassle, politics and money involved.
Starting with you having to drive to one of the US port of entries and "import" the vehicle you wish to register. SOME vehicles you are not allowed to import, no matter what, and by the time you are done with the import fees...upward of $400.00 US+ (I am not positive of this, since all I know is what I have read on Nomads and other Baja bulletin boards.)


Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
I am ignorant. Can someone tell me why you can't or shouldn't register your vehicle in Mexico, once you live there permanently? This will prove my newbie and dumbarse status.

Here's some more info on importing

durrelllrobert - 10-5-2013 at 06:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
Thanks for the explanation Udo.



Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
It isn't that you can't or shouldn't, Ateo.

It's the hassle, politics and money involved.
Starting with you having to drive to one of the US port of entries and "import" the vehicle you wish to register. SOME vehicles you are not allowed to import, no matter what, and by the time you are done with the import fees...upward of $400.00 US+ (I am not positive of this, since all I know is what I have read on Nomads and other Baja bulletin boards.)


Quote:
Originally posted by Ateo
I am ignorant. Can someone tell me why you can't or shouldn't register your vehicle in Mexico, once you live there permanently? This will prove my newbie and dumbarse status.


www.carsdirect.com/car.../import-car-mexico-6-steps-needed-to-import-...‎


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When trying to import a car to Mexico it is important that you follow all US import regulations and US import auto laws as well as those for Mexico. There are two different ways you can get a US car into Mexico, one being importing and another by using an FM3 visa. However importing a vehicle is normally the best option and is actually fairly easy.


1.Choosing the Car: Over the past few years Mexico passed an interesting law that to import a car into the country it has to be exactly 10 years old. To qualify for importing the car has to be safe to use and in reasonable working condition. Passenger vehicles cannot carry more than 15 passengers. Pickups with a full load cannot exceed 7,056 pounds and the vehicle identification number has to correspond to a US car.
2.Documentation: You will need the following documentation when visiting the Mexican customs agency, known as the Aduana. Take with you the registration documents, sales receipt with a description of the model, vehicle make, importer name and value. This receipt must be from the manufacturer or a distributor. You will need a certificate of origin document, import permit passport and several copies of your passport and a bill that is less than 3 months old that shows your name and address.
3.Fees and Taxes to Import into Mexico: When you see the Mexican customs broker, then you will need to pay an import tax between $50 to $300, a document validation fee, new vehicle tax if applicable and the Mexican value added tax. You have to wait 72 hours after obtaining an export stamp from the US before you can bring the car into Mexico. If you enter before this period is up you will be fined $500.
4.Where to Import: The only port where you can drive a car from the US to Mexico to import it is through the Santa Teresa Port of Entry (note: that's for mainland Mexico). There is a special US export lane that will look at all your documentation and make sure everything is in order.
5.Temporary Import Permit: If you are just travelling in Mexico, then you can get a temporary import permit. However, you do not need one to travel in the border zone, Puerto Penasco and Baja. This permit can be obtained at the border crossing and is good for 6 months. However you must have your car “checked out” before you leave the country and before the expiration date. This is very easy today as it is all computerized.
6.Coming back to the US: If you want to bring the car back into the US, then you can do this duty free. However, any repairs or accessories that were done in Mexico will need to be declared. You will need proof of origin to be exempt from taxes. Your car also needs to meet all of the EPA standards as many cars older than 1976 will not comply. The US government has several documents that detail how to import and export a vehicle that can be very helpful
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..and this update:

www.tiocorpinsurance.com/.../importing-vehicles...mexico/other-vehicle..

Other Vehicles You Can Import in 2013
Other Vehicles You Can Import in 2013
Disclaimer: The information contained in this section may contain errors due to changes in legislation or policy since it was compiled. Readers are advised to seek legal opinions concerning Mexico customs legislation and other laws in the applicable jurisdictions.

Currently, no other vehicles, other than NAFTA, can be imported

Foreign Vehicle Importation - Overview



The types of vehicles and years of vehicles that someone can permanently import into Mexico is tightly controlled and is restricted to vehicles governed by the North America Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). NAFTA qualified vehicles are those manufactured after 1994 in Canada, the USA or Mexico, and have a VIN starting with 1, 2, 3, 4, or 5.



Importing a vehicle into Mexico has become a hot topic as a result of the new immigration rules which require that FM2 and FM3 holders convert to "permanent" residency (Residente Permanente) status after 4 years, which will result in the loss of their vehicle's Temporary Import Permit (TIP). These folks will have to permanently import their vehicle and obtain Mexican plates, or remove it from Mexico. At the time of this writing, there are questions about the time that might be allowed for someone going Residenté Permanenté to accomplish one of those options. Having said that, there are debates going on everywhere about what laws apply, whether or not a vehicle can retain foreign plates under Residenté Permanenté and so on. However, TIP's were designed to accommodate Temporary visitors to Mexico, not Permanent residents of Mexico.

That would mean that many foreign-plated vehicles would have to be taken out of Mexico.... (However...This does not currently apply to Baja or the AZ border region).


Mexico-Plated Vehicle Insurance

"Plate Pending" Insurance for Mexican plated vehicles should be obtained a few days before you import your vehicle and convert it to Mexican title to avoid a period of no insurance. After you obtain your plates, you can update the policy information for your insurer.

The problem will be that your vehicle will no longer be covered by your foreign vehicle policy from the moment that it is imported. Unfortunately, there will be a few days between the time that your vehicle is processed at the border and the time that you obtain Mexican license plates and title paperwork.

We suggest that you maintain your foreign-vehicle coverage so that it overlaps your Mexican policy by a week or so. To get a quote for Mexican Insurance Coverage, contact TioCorp (click here).

States Not Eligible to Import

Four Mexican States do not allow vehicles to be imported... Mexico, Michoacan, Hidalgo, and Morelos.

If you live in one of those states, you may have to find another state to import to... but remember that the licensing office will ask for some proof of address when you go to register your vehicle.




[Edited on 10-6-2013 by durrelllrobert]

Hook - 10-5-2013 at 06:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by DENNIS
Not to be an alarmist, but one of the advantages of SD registration, no smog requirements, may be tested in the not too distant future here in Mexico.
It's been mentioned before, but there are two Smog Inspection stations in Ensenada, and more on the way.
Mexico tends to catch up slowly, but they do catch up.


I doubt many of us own cars that wont pass. We just want to avoid having to drive our frickin cars NOB for a smog test, every time we have to register them.

Is vehicle smog really a problem in Ensenada? I doubt it. Probably just another money-maker from gringos for some level of govt.

Ateo - 10-5-2013 at 07:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook

Is vehicle smog really a problem in Ensenada? I doubt it. Probably just another money-maker from gringos for some level of govt.


I do believe that vehicle smog in Ensenada is nasty. Vehicles barf camp fire amounts of smoke into the air. You don't see that in the states anymore. The Air Districts have eliminated this. That is a good thing when 16.5 million live in a single air basin (AQMD).

I'm not advocating anything in Mexico as this is a First World privileged type of thing - cleaning the air.

DENNIS - 10-5-2013 at 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hook



Is vehicle smog really a problem in Ensenada? I doubt it. Probably just another money-maker from gringos for some level of govt.


These inspection stations are for Mexico plated cars. Lots of chatter in the local papers about them recently. It's being included in registration requirements for later model cars.
Gawd only knows what this will morph into. I'm just saying it could easily turn into a mordida opportunity for vehicles without Smog paperwork.

The schools here are turning out a new generation of environmentally conscious kids. They are developing a voice to be listened to.

BajaLuna - 10-5-2013 at 08:53 PM

I don't think adult kids HAVE to be left on their parents insurance, it is not a forced thing, it is an option, it is not mandatory if they don't have insurance of their own.

I am thankful we had that option when my son was 25 and lost insurance due to being laid off from his job where he had insurance, it sure was a good thing we were able to get him on ours, because as murphy's law sometimes goes, he needed expensive medical care. What would have been the alternative while he was unemployed and sick, let him suffer and get sicker...ummm or go to the ER and rack up bills and then file bankruptcy like the majority of bankruptcy claims are for medical bills? And IMHO, what does it matter who goes on my private medical insurance, at whatever age, what should that matter? He still had to pay what our insurance didn't cover, and we still had to pay the premiums, it's not as if it was some free ride here. Let me ask you this...if your adult child for some reason lost their medical coverage, the reason could be many these days, eh....if they got sick or needed major medical care, what would you do, would you not put them on YOUR insurance if you had that option? Of course you would! You would do whatever you had to do to get your kid the medical care they needed, and I doubt seriously you would jump at paying out of pocket for medical care unless of course you are Bill Gates! Would you just tell your kids sorry, I'm not going to put you on my policy even though I certainly could? I have a hard time believing that ANY parent if their child was without insurance and they could be put on their parents policy for less than they could get a policy for while they are temporarily unemployed and sick wouldn't do that. Seriously? Are you guys for real here?

I am sooo thankful we had the option to put our kid on ours. Now he is employed once again and has his own policy again, it was all a temporary thing.

BajaLuna - 10-5-2013 at 10:24 PM

Be thankful people, that you have never had to make the tough choices for your Adult child's health and his treatment. IF you had ever had to walk in those shoes, somehow I think you would have a different perspective.

We all love our kids, everyone loves their kids...and yes even the unemployed, the under employed, the working poor, those of us with good jobs with good insurance, the wealthy, and even the uninsured too love their children, just as you love yours! It's hard to say what anyone would do in this situation, so let's not pass judgment, just because an adult kid has no insurance, there are many parents out there right now with adult kids who are sick. They love their kids too, ya know! GEEZ!

And hey....I paid for MY family, I had insurance on him and had him covered..you didn't have to pay for him...so what's your beef?

sorry Udo that this thread got high-jacked, enough said!

BajaLuna - 10-5-2013 at 10:37 PM

to clarify....thanks that is, to the first round of ACA 2 years ago that I had him covered under, once he turned 26 he had to go off my policy!

Udo - 10-6-2013 at 08:37 AM

Thanks for the rules explanation about importing cars. That is the most comprehensive writing I have seen to date.

To Ed:
My one sentence explanation was not sufficient, thanks to Bob...but now you see that it is not worth nationalizing a car in Baja. Stick with South Dakota (today's weather there made news headlines: 4 feet of snow! We REALLY got out of there just in time. One day it is 74 degrees, the next day it starts to snow and it stops at 4 feet!

We really got lucky!

bajalearner - 3-25-2014 at 07:00 PM

Can someone clarify what the "gold star" is and what is required to obtain the star on a new DL?

I am gearing up to move my residency to SD and register my cars there.

bajalearner - 3-25-2014 at 07:24 PM

Can anyone recommend a PMB service in Rapid City?

Udo - 3-26-2014 at 07:42 AM

http://www.Americas-mailbox.com

[Edited on 4-15-2015 by Udo]

Udo - 3-26-2014 at 07:51 AM

The GOLD STAR is obtained when one presents at least two (2) federally issued IDs.
Can be a combination of w-2, social security card, US passport.
You also have to give up your current state's driver's license. The process of filling out the form takes about 5 minutes. They then take your photo, and immediately hand you your SDDL on the spot.
The motel at http://www.americas-mailbox.com will have all your residency paperwork filled out for you when you check in. They are located about two miles from the DMV office, which is not open on Mondays.

It can't get any easier than that!
Quote:
Originally posted by bajalearner
Can someone clarify what the "gold star" is and what is required to obtain the star on a new DL?

I am gearing up to move my residency to SD and register my cars there.

Udo - 3-26-2014 at 07:53 AM

It is not worth the hassle or the cost.
Quote:
Originally posted by lencho
Quote:
Originally posted by Udo
Why not support the state I live in?

We will only be in California a few more months, the move to Baja permanently. Why should I support the California Economy
Following that argument, you should "probably" be registering your vehicles in BCS, your chosen state of residence. :biggrin:

Mulegena - 3-26-2014 at 08:11 AM

Just re-read the thread, can't find reference:

What are the options of obtaining US insurance only as needed when entering the US from Mexico?

Bajafun777 - 3-26-2014 at 01:37 PM

LOL, "Another example of Gringos' favored status in Mexico..." this must be your humor here lencho unless you want to list "The Many examples of Mexicans' favored status in California & USA....." just spreading the humor right back where it really belongs. I guess it would be best to just say "Let's Not Go THERE, CORRECT???" LOL Take Care & Travel Safe----"No Hurry, No Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777

Udo - 6-12-2016 at 01:16 PM

One footnote I have learned last month.

In California, your car insurance (Mercury, State Farm, etc.) will cover any accident IF your car is plated in California. As soon as you obtain new registration in another state (I.E. South Dakota), your California car insurance is nul and void.
Ask your insurance company why.

AKgringo - 6-12-2016 at 02:15 PM

My legal permanent residence is in Alaska, and I have a secondary residence in California. I am currently insured with Geico, and they require me to have two different policy's, because the states have different requirements, and liabilities.

My California policy covers vehicles registered in both states (2 AK, 2 CA), because that is where they are primarily used. The CA policy is actually cheaper for the same coverage, but more of a pain in the rear to start and stop coverage for vehicles that are not going to be driven for months at a time.

I hope this isn't too much off topic, but can anyone reading this give me any information about replacing Geico with a policy that would cover me for liability only, no matter what I am driving?

DENNIS - 6-12-2016 at 02:18 PM


Maybe a good question for AAA.

norte - 6-12-2016 at 02:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo  
One footnote I have learned last month.

In California, your car insurance (Mercury, State Farm, etc.) will cover any accident IF your car is plated in California. As soon as you obtain new registration in another state (I.E. South Dakota), your California car insurance is nul and void.
Ask your insurance company why.


Maybe this is because you are not supposed to be living in California anymore. After all you are not paying for any of the nice benefits you get.

norte - 6-12-2016 at 02:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote:
Originally posted by yellowklr
Quote:
Originally posted by Bajaboy
Why not support the state you live in?


maybe because its a left wing tax you to death state???


Yes, yes it is. Keeps out the riff raff:lol:



Most states have anonymous methods for turning tax cheats in. Another way have keeping the freeloaders out.

DENNIS - 6-12-2016 at 02:57 PM


California has a way of keeping freeloaders out? Must have started within the last half hour.

norte - 6-12-2016 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

California has a way of keeping freeloaders out? Must have started within the last half hour.


Amazing huh. They aren't all poor, brown or black. I m sure you know a few and can do your part as well.

Udo - 6-12-2016 at 05:21 PM

HDI Seguros (Discover Baja) as well as BAJABOUND have liability only driver's licenses policies so you may drive whatever you wish in Baja.
It costs around $180.00 USD per year.
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  

I hope this isn't too much off topic, but can anyone reading this give me any information about replacing Geico with a policy that would cover me for liability only, no matter what I am driving?

rts551 - 6-12-2016 at 05:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo  
HDI Seguros (Discover Baja) as well as BAJABOUND have liability only driver's licenses policies so you may drive whatever you wish in Baja.
It costs around $180.00 USD per year.


Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  

I hope this isn't too much off topic, but can anyone reading this give me any information about replacing Geico with a policy that would cover me for liability only, no matter what I am driving?



I believe if you read the whole statement he is referring to replacing Geico and driving in the USA, not Mexico.

AKgringo - 6-12-2016 at 06:05 PM

Thanks Udo, but it is a US policy like that I am looking for. I have a gas hog ford truck, and an old motorhome that are rarely used, and I probably don't put more than 15 to 20 thousand miles on the other four combined!

Add in the fact that all of the vehicles spend four to six months a year in storage, I am spending a lot for just liability and comprehensive insurance. The comprehensive is required to keep from canceling the policy every time I store them.

Edit; I am asking here rather than from an agency, because I value the opinion of a satisfied user more than a salesman.

[Edited on 6-13-2016 by AKgringo]

SFandH - 6-12-2016 at 06:46 PM

AKgringo,

Where are your vehicles registered? If in the US, call an independent insurance agent in the area and ask him. Don't talk to any insurance company directly, speak to an independent expert who is familiar with the rules where your vehicles are registered.

At least that is what I would do.

I have a substantial discount on a vehicle (Mercury Ins) because I drive it less than 3000 miles a year. I have an independent agent and he took my word for it and got the discount.

[Edited on 6-13-2016 by SFandH]

residency and Medicare

Mulegena - 6-12-2016 at 07:51 PM

By declaring residency in South Dakota must Medicare be obtained in South Dakota, too?

mtgoat666 - 6-12-2016 at 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mulegena  
By declaring residency in South Dakota must Medicare be obtained in South Dakota, too?


If you live in South Dakota, it would be most practical to seek medical care in SD. Of course, if you like driving, you could get a primary care doc in Minnesota, eh?

If you claim SD residency but live in CA, good luck, as the CA tax man has right to dig thru your finances to deduce where you are living.

chuckie - 6-13-2016 at 02:22 AM

The answer to Mulegenas question is no. (LOVE that Lady!). Medical assistance may be obtained at any facility, anywhere which accepts medicare.

karenintx - 6-13-2016 at 09:05 AM

Just a FYI...

Original Medicare...yes.

Medicare Advantage...probably not. Read your policy.

https://www.medicare.gov/sign-up-change-plans/medicare-healt...

Mulegena - 6-13-2016 at 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The answer to Mulegenas question is no. (LOVE that Lady!). Medical assistance may be obtained at any facility, anywhere which accepts medicare.
So we could declare legal residency in S. Dakota, live in Mexico and come camp on your doorstep to go to a Medicare-accepting facility in your town, Chuckles?


J.P. - 6-13-2016 at 09:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Mulegena  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The answer to Mulegenas question is no. (LOVE that Lady!). Medical assistance may be obtained at any facility, anywhere which accepts medicare.
So we could declare legal residency in S. Dakota, live in Mexico and come camp on your doorstep to go to a Medicare-accepting facility in your town, Chuckles?








You say that in Jest but for a lot of people its the reality.:?::?::?:

Mulegena - 6-13-2016 at 10:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by J.P.  
Quote: Originally posted by Mulegena  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The answer to Mulegenas question is no. (LOVE that Lady!). Medical assistance may be obtained at any facility, anywhere which accepts medicare.
So we could declare legal residency in S. Dakota, live in Mexico and come camp on your doorstep to go to a Medicare-accepting facility in your town, Chuckles?







You say that in Jest but for a lot of people its the reality.:?::?::?:

I am not speaking in jest.
It would appear that many people who live in Mexico as retirees have nowhere to receive their Medicare benefits when they travel to the US.
How does one do it?


[Edited on 6-13-2016 by Mulegena]

Udo - 6-13-2016 at 11:07 AM

In our instance, Mulegena, we transferred our banking accounts (all of them) to a bank that has a South Dakota base (in our instance, CITIBANK). Our accounts are set up in both of our names as signers.

After that, we started making regular deposits and withdrawals. Then, when my retirement age came, I directed the Social Security Administration to make direct deposits to that account. When my wife reaches her retirement age, she will do the same. (read between the lines if you wish).

BANAMEX is the local Mexican affiliate, and we make withdrawals and deposits there.

I just have to make phone calls every three months to CITIBANK so they don't think there is fraud in our account, since Mexico is on the list of rampant credit and debit fraud.

Hope this helps.

chuckie - 6-13-2016 at 11:28 AM

Udo, I don't know what that has to do with Medicare? I LIVE in Kansas, my Cardiologist is in Kearney Nebraska,My Ortho guy is in Burlington Colorado. I am asked to validate my mailing address and on the initial visit show my Medicare ID and that's it....On a trip last year, my companion got sick in Iowa, and got treated there, same procedure. And YES YES Mulegena can camp in my yard any time she wants..The current complaint I am hearing is that fewer facilities are taking any Medicare patients.....Just for grins, when I am at the local clinic this week, I will ask the nice person about this....

Udo - 6-13-2016 at 11:40 AM

The Medicare reference was made only as an example of how and why of direct deposits.

chuckie - 6-13-2016 at 11:43 AM

OK, Thanks.....

SFandH - 6-13-2016 at 04:27 PM

My Medicare supplemental plan's premiums are based upon the fact I live in San Diego county. The company would cover emergencies anywhere but I'm expected to use a specific set of doctors and a specific hospital in San Diego for routine and/or continuing care. So there are some address considerations with Medicare if you buy insurance to cover what Medicare doesn't.