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the big old house of Rancho San Miguel (Los Corrales)

4x4abc - 5-24-2019 at 10:43 AM

many of you have been to the ruins of the beautiful Casona (big house) at San Miguel - the one with the water canals
does anyone ever take a picture of the water basin a 1/10 of a mile north of the house?
Looking for a built date
the water basins usually have a date

maybe the house has one and I missed it

[Edited on 5-24-2019 by 4x4abc]

fishbuck - 5-24-2019 at 11:57 AM

Never heard of it.
Sounds very interestng.
Is there a book?
I'm suppose to read those I've been told... learn sumpin' new and all...;)

[Edited on 5-24-2019 by fishbuck]

4x4abc - 5-24-2019 at 12:31 PM

in the old days companies pretty much "owned" their workers
in Baja only pearling and mining required a large workforce
the companies usually supplied food (sometimes housing like in Santa Rosalia) for their workers
as good capitalists they did not buy food from local sources - they rather produced their own large scale

Boleo in Santa Rosalia had to feed at least 10,000 people - so they established about 50 larger ranchos for crops and cattle. All have extensive water systems and large Pilas. 3 of those ranchos had large main houses (Casonas).
All built around 1920
Casona San Bruno 27° 9'33.70"N, 112° 9'48.69"W
Casona San Miguel 28° 5'41.34"N, 112°50'6.99"W
Casona Pedro Altamirano (Prosperidad) 27°49'18.71"N,
113°14'6.61"W

good examples for cattle operations are:
Rancho El Carricito 27°27'53.98"N, 112°50'36.99"W
for crops:
Rancho Las Lagunas 27°38'41.02"N, 112°39'6.01"W
Rancho El Caracol 27°41'36.69"N, 112°42'55.06"W

and there are a number of ranchos from missionary times that were utilized by the French

Boleo established ranchos up to 80 miles away from Santa Rosalia
they were most active up to 60 miles

larryC - 5-25-2019 at 07:59 AM

Sorry no pictures. I tried to go to Casona San Miguel 2 months ago but was stopped by a locked gate and no trespassing signs warning of video surveillance. Too bad I had heard that there are stained glass windows and other really interesting features at that old rancho.

David K - 5-25-2019 at 08:07 AM

Harald, do a search... Nomads 'The squarecircle', 'TMW', perhaps 'John M' & 'geoffff', and others (I thought you) have taken photos at San Miguel big house. Their reports may be listed under Los Corrales rather than San Miguel?

David K - 5-25-2019 at 09:18 AM

Search results:
Photos of the San Miguel building, in the Q & A forum:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=83334

Other mentions:

Trip Reports forum:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=85247
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=85100
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=73500
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=71902

General Discussion forum:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=90065
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=56817



4x4abc - 5-25-2019 at 02:25 PM

here are the images I have:
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Travel/Baja-California-No...

none with dates - that is why I am hoping for the big Pila

David K - 5-26-2019 at 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
here are the images I have:
https://carlosnpainter.smugmug.com/Travel/Baja-California-No...

none with dates - that is why I am hoping for the big Pila


Those are great photos of the area!

salttram - 7-13-2019 at 06:24 PM

Here you go. I've been trying to find out about this place for years. This was in the large cistern that seemed to feed the aqueduct. I maxed out the contrast in PS from the cheap little compact I had at the time, but still can't make out the name. I really want to go back there. If you find out more, please let me know.

P1030984.jpg - 180kB

4x4abc - 7-13-2019 at 09:17 PM

great - thank you!

looks like
MAESTrO (plus name)
administ...

David K - 7-14-2019 at 10:18 AM

1916 was a big year for Boleo, it seems? The date is on the building at Prosperidad, right?

4x4abc - 7-14-2019 at 12:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by salttram  
but still can't make out the name.
To me, it looks like "Maestro (C?) Zapata. I assume that's the person who built the cistern...


that seems right

4x4abc - 7-14-2019 at 12:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
1916 was a big year for Boleo, it seems? The date is on the building at Prosperidad, right?


did you take pictures?

4x4abc - 7-14-2019 at 12:49 PM

there is another one of those big houses in San Bruno.
Does anyone have images?
Year built?

27° 9'33.70"N, 112° 9'48.69"W

David K - 7-14-2019 at 12:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
1916 was a big year for Boleo, it seems? The date is on the building at Prosperidad, right?


did you take pictures?


Yes, in my Trip #5 Report. We also have discussed it with geoffff also who has photos of Prosperidad, too.

4x4abc - 7-14-2019 at 06:33 PM

no years given in your trip report

David K - 7-14-2019 at 07:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
no years given in your trip report


The very next reply/post below the one containing the photos of the brick building:

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Nomad 'Geoffff' was here in 2014 and took close up photos of the brick building. There is a date above the doorway, too.

http://octopup.org/baja2014/gertrudis

The year was 1916 and he uses the name "La Casona" for the building.
'La Casona' translates to 'Big House' or 'Villa'.

4x4abc - 7-14-2019 at 08:11 PM

thanks David

4x4abc - 7-15-2019 at 08:10 AM

so yes, Casona San Bruno, or Hacienda San Bruno, is a Boleo creation.

see note #82
https://books.openedition.org/cemca/389#bodyftn82



casona800.jpg - 101kB

David K - 7-15-2019 at 08:37 AM

Cool! Is the Timbabichi two story house (that a cardón used to be growing on) also a Boleo building?

Ranch at San Miguel

John M - 7-15-2019 at 03:47 PM

Interesting this discussion and the one regarding North's routes and the route from San Ignacio to Santa Rosalia touch each other, kind of.

The map from North's trip (map DK posted and added here)



C S Miguel there in 1906 - certainly by 1910 - upper right corner - when the edition I have was published.

John M





David K - 7-15-2019 at 03:55 PM

That's Cabo San Miguel.

are the two related

John M - 7-15-2019 at 09:00 PM

Cabo San Miguel looks to be close from the scale of this map - are the two place names related?

JM

David K - 7-16-2019 at 02:04 PM

Yes, ranches and camps are frequently named for nearby geographic points, peaks, and arroyos.