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Barry A.
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Gull-------------- 
There is at least one appropriate quote pertaining to EVERYTHING on earth, I believe.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
rts551------
So, if David had made comments about ALL the different folks in Pescador's story, then things would have been all right???? No slur????
I am blown away!!!!! and hugely confused and dismayed.
I think the person that said, "you just don't get it" has it right---------I DON'T!!! It is like we are from different planets, or something, and our
thought processes are different.
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Barry,
You are right. Sadly, this is the state of polemics as it has evolved in the United States. It does seem like we are divided by two distinctly
different visions for what direction we want our country to head. The two visions threaten each other's sense of well being.
I admit I hold the vision that is different from mine in contempt. I think their vision of war, fear and denial for the perils or our environment is
stupid. They think the same of my vision. We don't like each other very much.
Each side pushes the other's emotional buttons. It used to be different, before GWB and his cabal of secrecy. With the exception of extremists, who
have always been around but in the minority, we were always able to speak to one another in a civil manner.
Observe which vision is the more aggressive. Observe which vision initiates the attacks and the name calling. Oh, sure, the other side will defend
(sometimes). Observe which side tries to be more inclusive, more gentle and more civil. These attributes are vilified, reviled and considered wimpy by
the more aggressive ones.
As I have said before on this board; this is a forum where the opportunity for understanding exists. I enjoy and can even understand differing points
of view. Unfortunately, style and attitude trumps content. Points that could be presented and understood are buried within the offensive package in
which they are delivered. Many who differ seize the opportunity and do a good job. Others, (a minority of extremists...this is a microcasm of the
world outside), cut and slash and pollute. They are toxic and you can count on them to expose themselves. They don't need a lot of help from us to
push them over the top; they are already there.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
always able to speak to one another in a civil manner.
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My sentiments exactly, as my behavior here demonstrates.
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Barry A.
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Toneart-----------
Very well said------------------thank you for your response.
However, I don't dislike those who disagree with me----quite the contrary-----they make me "think" and defend my point of view, which often clarifies
things for me. I do get frustrated tho when the vitriol clouds the issue to the point that nothing positive is accomplished-----which often is the
case. I try not to participate in the name-calling, but alas I do find that I lose control sometimes.
Clear heads like yours that are willing to post, help----------------thanks again.
Barry
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Sharksbaja
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WOW!
What a great exchange. I learned so much about a few Nomads.
I agree with Shari about letting them be. I have a hard time believing whales actually enjoy interacting with humans. You know, like dogs. Some dogs
love people, others will rip a strangers arm off. How narrow-minded to suggest "they" all behave the same. That's friggin' rediculous. Funny how we
can identify each other here but whales are a collective?
So the gal who started this thread was not succinct in her question on how to help the place. She was open to suggestions imho. Toss her to the
wolves sharks? How rude!
David , you really should use less I's because it's not about U's.
My other confusion comes from all the labels. Eco, enviro, conserve, conservationist, preservationist. Do these not overlap. You are all the same
with different spouts. Just like whales. Do you like people in YOUR FACE? Gimme a kiss little/big fella......
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[Edited on 8-30-2007 by Sharksbaja]
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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I remember that huge gas line up in GN and the locals made some good coin selling burritos in the lineup...I have also had that same dread family on
one of our boats in the lagoon...too funny...once a guy wanted to play violin to the whales and when he started playing all the whales that were close
to us high tailed it out of there...they hated it! I think its hilarious the types who thinks whales are cosmic and will make pals with them with good
vibes etc....my favorite little anecdote countering this goes as follows...one day a disgusting drunk red neck type creep was on a boat I was doing
research on and he stood up when we got to a group of whales and started yelling "Come on baby...come to papa...I wanna mate with a whale" accompanied
by some very lewd hip thrusts in their direction. The other passengers in the boat were exchanging distressed glances and I was thinking what a
bonehead this jerk was and that the whales are surely gonna split...well I'll be darned if one big mama made a B-line for him and upon arrival turned
over on her back and thrust her booty right up in his face...an impressive contortion I'd NEVER seen in 20 years of studying gray whales...she was
into it and knew exactly what he wanted and was definately giving it to him. OMG...we were all so amazed and ya just had to laugh...just when you
think you've seen it all...it just goes to show...cada quien, which means...different strokes for different folks...I sure had a good laugh and I have
the picture of her titi to prove this story! Peace brothers and sisters...chill.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
Toneart-----------
Very well said------------------thank you for your response.
However, I don't dislike those who disagree with me----quite the contrary-----they make me "think" and defend my point of view, which often clarifies
things for me. I do get frustrated tho when the vitriol clouds the issue to the point that nothing positive is accomplished-----which often is the
case. I try not to participate in the name-calling, but alas I do find that I lose control sometimes.
Clear heads like yours that are willing to post, help----------------thanks again.
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Thank you Barry.
We can all try harder, myself included. I lose it on occasion.
T.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
What a great exchange. I learned so much about a few Nomads.
I agree with Shari about letting them be. I have a hard time believing whales actually enjoy interacting with humans. You know, like dogs. Some dogs
love people, others will rip a strangers arm off. How narrow-minded to suggest "they" all behave the same. That's friggin' rediculous. Funny how we
can identify each other here but whales are a collective?
So the gal who started this thread was not succinct in her question on how to help the place. She was open to suggestions imho. Toss her to the
wolves sharks? How rude!
David , you really should use less I's because it's not about U's.
My other confusion comes from all the labels. Eco, enviro, conserve, conservationist, preservationist. Do these not overlap. You are all the same
with different spouts. Just like whales. Do you like people in YOUR FACE? Gimme a kiss little/big fella......
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Good one, Sharks!
We should paste all those labels on a big jar, fill it with sand and drop it to bottom of the ocean. I will temporarily suspend my envirozeal
in order to let this happen. 
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The Gull
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
always able to speak to one another in a civil manner.
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My sentiments exactly, as my behavior here demonstrates. |
HUH?
�I won\'t insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.� William F. Buckley, Jr.
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DENNIS
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HUH!!!!!!!!
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Sharksbaja
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URP!
DON\'T SQUINT! Give yer eyes a break!
Try holding down [control] key and toggle the [+ and -] keys
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