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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajajudy
Why are so many people in the USA angry at the Mexicans(well, any Spanish speakers)?
I truly do not understand this attitude.
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Many are angry? Maybe only at those who don't respect our laws and borders and get away with it... ?
How do Mexicans deal with Americans breaking the law in their country?
Not sure what your question is doing in this thread on Tom's bro-in-law...?
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Minnow
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David, I appreciate everyones input at this point. I want to get my letter as clear as possible and send it to as many people as possible. I already
have received many helpful leads. I am in the process of trying to find the correct people to send this to in groups like the ACLU, and Latino Rights
Advocates.
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David K
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Sure Tom, great... Is there any more you can share about what he was heald for and questioned about? There are attorneys who will jump at the
opportunety just for fame if not to tarnish the government like in Crusoe's movie theme.
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I'm thinking is that if Minnow is going to persue legal action it might be best if he stopped talking publicly about it for now.
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Minnow
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Roberto knows that these were just a few bad apples that did this to him. It is not a blanket indictment of the US government, the Border Patrol, or
US law enforcement in general.
I guess I should explain the process that someone on a tourist Visa needs to go through to come into the US. If they are going to be traveling
farther than 50 miles from the border, or going to be in the US for longer than 3 days, they need to go into secondary to get a Paper Visa that goes
along with their laser Visa. This is normally routine. If the Border Patrol suspects you may be abusing your tourist visa they may detain you to
investigate. Interviewing you is part of the investigation. My wife fell into the same category three years ago when she had her tourist visa
confiscated because she was married with and US citizen. We had no idea that it was illegal to be married to a US citizen and have a tourist visa.
At that time she underwent very harsh treatment including be verbally abused, held for hours with out water, and having to witness her mother, who was
traveling with her, being knocked to the ground and malled by a German Shepard. What did her mom do to get that treatment? She attempted to retrieve
her high blood pressure medicine from the car. When we eventually got an interview at the US consulate in Juarez, for my wifes permanent visa, we
found out that the border patrol had wrote on their report that she was attempting to smuggle illegals in a car that was "probably" stolen. It was my
car, and all the people had their tourist visas. All, except my wife, got their tourist visas back that time. That was in Mexicali so I don't think
it had anything to do with what happened with Roberto. I let it go that time and always regreted it. This time I cannot.
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Any information that can be gathered and documented contemporaneously will help in any future investigation. Let the proper authorities follow the
leads.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Roberto knows that these were just a few bad apples that did this to him. |
Is that right? What makes him think that?
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Minnow
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Maybe he is wrong, but somehow I don't think so. If this sort of treatment is official policy, then this story is even more important.
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The first thing I try to ascertain when driving up to the inspector is his/her hostility level. I think things are worse than we will ever know.
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
If this sort of treatment is official policy |
Went right by this one....
Of course it wouldn't be "Official Policy." But, it is my concern that the behavior has tacit acceptance. Abu Graib [sp?] revisited.
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Minnow
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Dennis, I appreciate your insight, but I don't want to turn this into one of those discussions.
I have been in contact with "people today", and will talk with Roberto tonight.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Minnow
Dennis, I appreciate your insight, but I don't want to turn this into one of those discussions. |
What do you mean? I thought this is what your story was all about.
OK...I see your point. It's hard for me to bypass a good chance to stir the pot. Sorry.
Keep us posted, Tom. This concerns everybody.
[Edited on 10-23-2007 by DENNIS]
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Minnow, I do not know what happened that day with your brother-in-law and most areas are video taped at the ports which may help in an investigation.
I think maybe some areas of this story have grown such as five hours of beatings in a port of entry???? No saying that an agent did not get out of
line but too many good officers at the Port would not allow this to such a level discribed. The Mexican Consul should be contacted by your
brother-in-law, as they take these complaints directly to the alleged offenders working assignment and meet with top officials there. Use them and
believe me the Border Patrol SAC will definately investigate and handle any type of illegal actions if they were committed. I have learned not to
jump into one side of a story even with the mild manner people or relatives that I know, as some of them not only surprised me with their
inappropriate or even illegal actions that brought trouble to them but showed me a side to them I was not aware of. Some times bad things happen to
good people, the world is not fair, just is what it is. Sometimes good people get involved in bad or illegal behavior that gets them into trouble not
a good thing but again it is what it is. Hope an investigation occurs and since he gave you a day and date this should be easy to investigate.
With all the daily shift entries on all logs completed by that shift of officers, on that alleged offense date it allows for time tracking which can
help to do a time in motion study to see what is there. Hope things get clarified for you. Later---------------------------- bajafun777
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Nothing for nothing but I would bypass the SAC and go directally to OIG (Office of the Inspector General) for DHS or the U S Attorneys Office in
Tucson. Neither one of these will "forget" about it.
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Minnow
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Bajafun. It was more like 5 hours of isolation. No food, no drink, no outside contact, with a few beatings and verbal abuse thrown in. Things are
being handled now and we will see what happens. Thanks everyone for your support and suggestions.
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