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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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roger...you were one hot muchaco in the day!!!!
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ddawson
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Six years ago I unknowingly made it to Abreojos with a few rounds of .223 in my cab. I had gone shooting the previous weekend and wasn't aware they
were there. Not too smart. We had stopped on the beach and were surfing. After I found them my buddy freaked out on me and we then disposed of
them. I was surprised at how many times the truck had been through checkpoints, and nothing was found. When packing, I know to always start with a
vehicle check.
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Islandbuilder
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
roger...you were one hot muchaco in the day!!!! |
Shari, You may be due for some sensitivity re-training. Let me break it down for you: Consider editing your statement using my suggestions in CAPS.
RODGER....you were ONE HOT MUCHACHO in the day.
See how eliminating the modifiers improves your compliment?
You're welcome
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shari
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Mood: there is no reality except the one contained within us "Herman Hesse"
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why thank you kind sir....I think.
it's kinda funny because the local cops are always asking expats to bring them down ammo...they seem to be perpetually out of bullets....I'll settle
for bagels and some maple syrup.
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neilm81301
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Bows? Crossbows?
I seem to recall from other threads that pellet/bb guns were OK in Baja -
Anybody know about bows or crossbows?
Thanks,
Neil
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Pompano
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Some general info:
Found this earlier thread on bringing/using bows and crossbows to Mexico, Neil.
As with any laws in Mexico, always check and double-check. Never take anything for granted or pay attention to hearsay. Situations can change
quickly. Note: Some pellet guns are illegal, some are not.
Some clarification on this is presented below from an airgun forum:
Dated 2007
"Hello Everyone..
I do not know if this post will be moved to off-topic since it is in reality a legal issue, but it is also airgun related, so we'll see.
I received this E-Mail from a friend:
"XXXX,
I just wanted to let you know that the Mexican Aduana is confiscating air rifles from people crossing the border in Juarez and Santa Teresa.
Is this legal? Is there a way to cross the border with an air rifle and not have it confiscated?
I would appreciate any information that you may have on this subject.
XXXXXX."
His reply: Of course the first response was that according to the Law, PCP's & CO2 powerplant driven guns can and should be confiscated at the
border, but I offered to do a full research and report here for those brothers that live in the southern sections of the US and that might want to
bring airguns into México, so here is the full nitty-gritty:
1.- International framework: The GATT (General Agreement on Tariffs & Trade) defined that airguns belonged to section 93.04.00. This is a
worldwide classification, it has nothing to do with Mexican Laws. This section makes no distinction of the powerplant styles, ALL guns belong to this
section. If they release a projectile, they are here.
2.- According to the Ley Federal de Armas de Fuego y Control de Explosivos (Mexican Federal Firearms Law) All airguns that store their power as
compressed gases in reservoirs are classified as firearms for IMPORTATION purposes. Not for transportation, not for usage, not for licensing, for
IMPORTATION purposes. In this sense, they require a previous permit for temporary or definitive importation. If the person bringing in the gun does
not have a permit, customs officials are to issue a pink slip, and give 30 working days to the person to get the permit. If the permit is obtained,
then the gun is released for importation into México. The person can opt not to cross the border, return and post himself to his US address the gun.
The ONLY case where a confiscation is non-reversible is when the person FAILS TO DECLARE that he is bringing in an airgun. In that case, opposition to
confiscation can result in charges and criminal prosecution. Not for the airgun, but for the FAILURE TO DECLARE.
3.- The Mexican Pneumatic Shooting Club started working with the equivalent of the USTR (Commerce Secretariat) and with the Army (Defense Secretariat)
since the year 2000.
On the 25, November, 2002, we obtained from both Secretriats (the difficult part was to get them to agree on) a joint publication in the Official
Gazette (Diario Oficial de la Federación), where the following precisions were made:
Page 17) Title.- "Acuerdo que establece la clasificación y codificación de las mercancías cuya importación ó exportación están sujetas a regulación
por parte de la Secretaría de la Defensa Nacional". This means that ONLY the clarifications in this document are pertinent to the those materials and
goods whose importation or exportation are regulated by the Army.
Page 20) Tariff 93.04.00.99 (other long guns, spring-piston driven, pressurized gases driven, except those under tariff 93.07.xx.xx), and then the
Secretariats make the precision:
"Unicamente: de Gas comprimido en recipientes a presión, por ejemplo CO2 ó gas carbónico"
Meaning-> Only: Drive by compressed gases in pressure reservoirs, EG: CO2 or carbonic gas
This means that "a contrario sensu" (latin for thinking the other way around), the Spring Driven guns and Pump-ups are exempt from regulation, thereby
exempted from previous permits and therefore, exempt from duties. In this way, those airguns that fit into those two powerplants, should be able to
enter México freely.
There might be a tiff at the border with pump-ups because in essence, they have a built in pressure reservoir, but my feeling is that the precision is
clear enough that only those guns that are pre-pressurized (the origin of the PCP moniker) and those that use CO2 (also a pre-pressurized container)
are included in those that are regulated by SeDeNa (Army).
To follow up on other related things: ALL scopes are regulated (but not peeps) and ALL pellets are free of regulations (Tariff 93.06.29.99).
To anyone thinking of bringing in an airgun into México, either:
a) go through a hunt organizer that knows how to get temporary import permits
b) bring in ONLY springers or pump-ups with peeps and have a copy of the Diario Oficial de la Federación from the 26 of November 2002, handy.
XXX
Previous Nomad threads on archery in Baja:
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=37766#pid4025...
http://www.dpll.si/files/bowhunting%20in%20the%20World%20200...
Crossbows are a different breed, in that they may have a trigger, and may indeed be illegal. CHECK! THEN DOUBLE-CHECK!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Cypress
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I wouldn't attempt take a gun into Mexico.
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Ken Cooke
Posing with my bodyguards in Downtown Tijuana
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There's a Bancolombia in downtown Tijuana??? 
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durrelllrobert
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OK to keep but not to bare
A common misconception is that firearms are illegal in Mexico and that no person may possess them.[3] This belief originates due the general
perception that only members of law enforcement, the armed forces, or those in armed security protection are authorized to have them. While it is true
that Mexico possesses strict gun laws,[4] where most types and calibers are reserved to military and law enforcement, the acquisition andownership of
certain firearms and ammunition remains a constitutional right to all Mexican citizens and foreign legal residents;[5] given the requirements and
conditions to exercise such right are fulfilled in accordance to the law.[6]
The right to keep and bear arms was first recognized as a constitutional right under Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution of 1857.[7] However, as
part of the Mexican Constitution of 1917, Article 10 was changed[8] where-by the right to keep and bear arms was given two separate definitions:
theright to keep (derecho a poseer in Spanish) and the right to bear (derecho a portar in Spanish).[9] The new version of Article 10 specified that
citizens were entitled to keep arms (own them) but may only bear them (carry them) among the population in accordance to police regulation.[10]
Thismodification to Article 10 also introduced the so-called ...[arms] for exclusive use of the [military]... (in Spanish: ...de uso exclusivo del
Ejército...), dictating that the law would stipulate which weapons were reserved for the armed forces, including law enforcement agencies, for being
considered weapons of war.
In 1971, Article 10 of the present Constitution was reformed[11] to limit the right to keep arms within the home only (in Spanish: ...derecho a poseer
armas en su domicilio...) and reserved the right to bear arms outside the home only to those explicitly authorized by law (i.e. police, military,
armed security officers). The following year, the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives came into force[12] and gave the federal government complete
jurisdiction and control to the legal proliferation of firearms in the country; at the same time, heavily limiting and restricting the legal access to
firearms by civilians.
As a result of the changes to Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution and the enactment of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, openly carrying
a firearm or carrying a concealed weapon in public is virtually forbidden to private citizens, unless explicitly authorized by the Secretariat of
National Defense (SEDENA). For purposes of personal protection, firearms are only permitted within the place of residence and of the type and caliber
permitted by law. (from Wikepedia.com)
Bob Durrell
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Pompano
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Good info for Mexican citizens, durrelllroberts. Thanks for posting some Mexican history on this subject. As you know, foreigners face a far
stricter set of laws and rules.
Most visitors to rural Baja who make friends with country folks, know that lots of Mexican rancher/citizens possess firearms. The .30 caliber being
most popular for hi-power rifles. Rifles, pistols, & shotguns are prevalent throughout the countryside, as they are in most rural areas on the
USA. Some Baja ranchers have become hunting guides with full credentials.
These are the guides with which a US hunter can and should be hunting.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Bajafun777
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Hunted down in Los Mochis in the 80s and back then even with the paperwork approvals before we crossed in Nogales we still got held up with people
stalling us until we gave the $100 dollars go ahead payment. We then had to buy all of our hunting ammo in Los Mochis at a government store approved
to sell it to hunters.
There were lots of hunters from U.S. back then hunting in Los Mochis, as it was a great place to find more birds than you could ever shoot and clean.
Yes, there were limits and yes we followed them especially with the government game guy riding with us. This government approved game guy riding with
us each day cost us $30 dollars a day. Can not even think what the cost would be now for everything but do not hear of anybody hunting in Los Mochis
like we use to either.
Just a little update here, I have just driven down from Nogales to Los Mochis then onward to Maztalan where I want to say I did not encounter one not
one military check, NO JOKING!! We also did not have the Federals checking our car paperwork like the past years just really surprised us. I guess
PRI is getting back to the basics and not hearing of any crazy shooting of late either but did hear about the 10 women raped. Getting different
stories on that down here too, however I doubt that these women would all be screaming rape and the doctors examing them determined rape would say it
was rape if it wasn't.
We have crazies all over and in all countries which makes our world a little more unsafe, so always be aware of your surroundings and hopefully that
at least gives you an edge. I am getting slower so I need any edge I can get to stay safe. Take Care & Travel Safe------"No Hurry, No
Worry, Just FUN" bajafun777
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