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SFandH
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Clouseaus
Retired Cop here (King County Sheriff which is Seattle). Never heard of such a thing as this money search. Have checked with other retiries and
active friends and they haven't heard of this either. If there is "Probable Cause" to believe that someone is a drugge or smuggler it might be
different. My two kids are cops here and they have not heard of such a thing either. Sounds like more e-mail "E-krap" to me.
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Not "E-krap". I'm glad you put "Probable Cause" in quotes. What that means is open to wide interpretation, often based upon bias and prejudice .
What the original article is talking about is:
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Civil Asset Forfeiture
Every year, federal and state law enforcement agents seize millions of dollars from civilians during traffic stops, simply by asserting that they
believe the money is connected to some illegal activity and without ever pursuing criminal charges. Under federal law and the laws of most states,
they are entitled to keep most (and sometimes all) of the money and property they seize.
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeit...
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It's becoming more and more of a problem as police departments get strapped for money. A new source of revenue for some. The law is being abused by
DAs in conjunction with police departments.
Sounds like the Canadian Broadcast Company reporter has just become aware of the issue and apparently didn't research it very well before reporting.
So, during the time you were working as a cop you were never informed about civil asset forfeiture, as opposed to criminal asset forfeiture?
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Cisco
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| Quote: | Originally posted by SFandH
| Quote: | Originally posted by Clouseaus
Retired Cop here (King County Sheriff which is Seattle). Never heard of such a thing as this money search. Have checked with other retiries and
active friends and they haven't heard of this either. If there is "Probable Cause" to believe that someone is a drugge or smuggler it might be
different. My two kids are cops here and they have not heard of such a thing either. Sounds like more e-mail "E-krap" to me.
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Not "E-krap". I'm glad you put "Probable Cause" in quotes. What that means is open to wide interpretation, often based upon bias and prejudice .
What the original article is talking about is:
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Civil Asset Forfeiture
Every year, federal and state law enforcement agents seize millions of dollars from civilians during traffic stops, simply by asserting that they
believe the money is connected to some illegal activity and without ever pursuing criminal charges. Under federal law and the laws of most states,
they are entitled to keep most (and sometimes all) of the money and property they seize.
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/civil-asset-forfeit...
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It's becoming more and more of a problem as police departments get strapped for money. A new source of revenue for some. The law is being abused by
DAs in conjunction with police departments.
Sounds like the Canadian Broadcast Company reporter has just become aware of the issue and apparently didn't research it very well before reporting.
So, during the time you were working as a cop you were never informed about civil asset forfeiture, as opposed to criminal asset forfeiture?
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RICHLAND, MI — A disabled mother and her children were tossed from their home by the government after missing one property tax bill, despite owning
the home free-and-clear.
Deborah Calley, a mother of two daughters, paid $164,000 cash for her dream home in 2010. The home was chosen because of convenient location and
accessibility; a perfect location for her as she slowly recovers from debilitating injuries following a car accident a few years ago.
The family’s dream home became a nightmare when the Kalamazoo County government declared it to be foreclosed earlier in 2014, leaving the Calleys
homeless. Local bureaucrats alleged that three years ago, Ms. Calley did not pay for the privilege to live in the county, a so-called “property tax.”
Thus, the government stripped Calley of her home and property.
Ms. Calley is devastated, and claims that she had no idea about the missed property tax bill from 2011, and that she received no warning of the
impending property seizure.
“When I paid the taxes in 2012 right there in Richland, no one said, ‘Oh, well you still owe money for 2011,’” said Ms. Calley to WITI. “So, I didn’t
really have a clue. I thought I was right on time.”
The disabled mother is in disbelief that the government could take away property that she owned outright because of a tax bill totaling less than
$2,000.
“If I had a mortgage, a bank never would’ve let that happen,” said Calley, referring to the single missed payment. “It was a mistake.”
“My life has been turned upside down because of this,” Ms. Calley sobbed. “I had to send my youngest daughter, who’s still in school, to live with her
father so she can have a home, because I don’t know if I have a home anymore.”
Ms. Calley offered to pay back-taxes to settle the bill that the county alleges that she owes, but the profiteers of the seizure claim that it is now
too late. Adding to the family’s grief is the fact that the foreclosed house has already been auctioned, with the highest bid totaling over $80,000.
Barring judicial intervention, the county will keep the proceeds of the auction and the Calley family will get nothing.
The plight of the Calley family serves as a grim reminder of the fragility of property rights in America, and the true nature of property taxation.
When citizens are obligated to pay perpetual sums of money to avoid the seizure of their rightly-owned property, they can never consider themselves
anything greater than tenants on land controlled by the government.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2014/deborah-calley-loses-home...
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thebajarunner
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The very first post in this thread takes you to an article that declares "There is no limit to the amount of cash that can be taken in or out of the
US" The next sentence should have said "But amounts over $10,000 must be declared" which was not added.
I have probably made 100 international flights out of the Bay Area in the past 30 years. Only once have I seen Feds work a departure lounge on this
topic. Some years back at SFO, ready to board for Tokyo, a Fed came into the departure lounge and approached several well dressed individuals, had
brief discussions, then departed without looking physically at any of their property. Only once! He did say, loudly upon leaving, "You all do know
that it is a Federal offense to leave the country with more than $10,000 in cash without declaring this to the proper authorities!"
The law was aimed at both money laundering and drug cash (perhaps those are one and the same)
Good friend of mine's dad was local area Ford dealer. Dozen years ago he was selling $30,000 pickups to boys coming down out of the hills with
suitcases full of cash.
$9,900 down
with weekly payments of $9,900.
Dave spent 18 months at Club Fed for his successful transactions.
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Lee
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DanO
Some rather shocking information and statistics in this CBC piece. It'd be interesting to know whether any Nomads have experienced this.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/american-shakedown-police-won-t...
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Anyone stopped by LE (NOB or SOB) in a vehicle is fitting a profile.
Kinda like Baja -- when you're stopped for being a gringo.
I'll take my chances in MX any day.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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