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mtgoat666
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
NEVER EVER take the word of a radical extremist on either side of an issue. |
"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative
extremists" Martin Luther King Jr.
And radicals make the world more interesting...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
52 minutes?
can you summarize, Ged? |
Okay, Woody.....since you haven't taken your Ritalin this morning....
The planet has a limited storage of resources. Unlike Walmart, when the shelf is empty, there is no resupply truck around the corner !
Sand is being dredged around the planet for various reasons (e. g. tourist beaches and mineral extraction). It is causing significant damage to the
ecology around the planet. Some folks see the inherent dangers in this short-sighted and "greedy" practice.
Get a 6-pack of some nice Indian Pale Ale and watch the video with some friends.....it's worth an hour of your collective time.
A well-made documentary that tells us stuff that we likely were unaware of.
P.S. The T-shirts fit and are way cool  |
OK, unlike many ..... not pointing fingers at anyone....I'm open to edjumaction....didn't think that it might be a significant issue so I need to
watch the video and find out what the other vision is.....
Do you have a referral to the pro side of this?
I'm somewhat skeptical that the "resources" are as finite as stated, that's mostly a marketing tactic designed to inflate pricing of whatever
commodity.....
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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The Baja Sur State Congress has come out against this mining project, saying that it threatens BCS fisheries and other natural resources:
http://www.cbcs.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&view...
[Edited on 11-5-2014 by bajaspuds]
... dripping w/ chubasco sauce
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motoged
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Sweetwater
.....Do you have a referral to the pro side of this?
I'm somewhat skeptical that the "resources" are as finite as stated, that's mostly a marketing tactic designed to inflate pricing of whatever
commodity..... |
SW,
No I am not aware of a pro-side link....let me know when you find one.
I came across that program when channel surfing....and found it interesting.
Thinking some resources may be finite is not necessarily an "economic angle"....
Don't believe everything you think....
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
NEVER EVER take the word of a radical extremist on either side of an issue. |
"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative
extremists" Martin Luther King Jr.
And radicals make the world more interesting...
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Looks like Joe Willie Namath on a good day.... jeje
The SAME boiling water that softens the potato hardens the egg. It's about what you are made of NOT the circumstance.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
NEVER EVER take the word of a radical extremist on either side of an issue. |
"The question is not whether we will be extremists, but what kind of extremists we will be... The nation and the world are in dire need of creative
extremists" Martin Luther King Jr.
And radicals make the world more interesting...
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There is NO question what kind of radical extremist Goat is.
And it sure isn't "creative"
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There is another element that is threatening the fisheries along that part of the coast.
And that is the constant, never ending netting of inshore fish species by pangueros.
I have been on the beach at San Juanico and have seen the MASSES of fish brought back daily by pangueros and their nets.
Barred sandbass, stacked to the gunnels, hundreds of halibut, corvina and corbina.
Women, standing side by side, at gutting tables right beside the pangas doing their knife tricks.
And this goes on daily.....
A large truck trailer is parked there near the take out of the boats and they stack the whole fish inside like cordwood.
That truck trailer pulls out and takes the north road out to MX 1, bound for Tijuana and the fish markets.
The weigh master there told me that truck pulls out about twice a week loaded with fish.
By the time that truck is full and ready to head north, those fish are 3-4 days old. Then more time before they reach TJ.
By the time the consumer buys his fish, it's nearly a week old.
Is it any wonder I never got a bite over 3 days while surf fishing there?
The Corvina fetches a higher price than the halibut, which are sorted by size.....bigger size gets the best price.
The individual panguero gets paid on quantity and size of his catch....the bigger the fish, the more he makes.
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there is little fish inside the bay at SJ, hasn't been forever. you need to head north a ways, but you prolly know that already.
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DaliDali
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
there is little fish inside the bay at SJ, hasn't been forever. you need to head north a ways, but you prolly know that already.
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Been there done that Woody. If your talking about the rock outcropping just above the first point.
I rode the quad up there from the beach palapas one morning.
And here was a guy in a pickup, dragging up his hand placed net that had been out all night.
He scored some HUGE CorBina right there.
I had hotdogs for supper!!
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this is most likely a very bad thing for the fisheries which should be the focus-not the surf. as for the surf, well, it takes care of itself one way
or another.
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One area of significant concern - and this is from the mining company's website - "the 'Don Diego' concession area stretches to the shoreline...."
Now they say they don't intend to mine anywhere near the shoreline, but I'm a little concerned about the awarding of a mining concession up the beach.
Here's the mining company's website:
http://ir.odysseymarine.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=8698...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
There is another element that is threatening the fisheries along that part of the coast.
And that is the constant, never ending netting of inshore fish species by pangueros.
I have been on the beach at San Juanico and have seen the MASSES of fish brought back daily by pangueros and their nets.
Barred sandbass, stacked to the gunnels, hundreds of halibut, corvina and corbina.
Women, standing side by side, at gutting tables right beside the pangas doing their knife tricks.
And this goes on daily.....
A large truck trailer is parked there near the take out of the boats and they stack the whole fish inside like cordwood.
That truck trailer pulls out and takes the north road out to MX 1, bound for Tijuana and the fish markets.
The weigh master there told me that truck pulls out about twice a week loaded with fish.
By the time that truck is full and ready to head north, those fish are 3-4 days old. Then more time before they reach TJ.
By the time the consumer buys his fish, it's nearly a week old.
Is it any wonder I never got a bite over 3 days while surf fishing there?
The Corvina fetches a higher price than the halibut, which are sorted by size.....bigger size gets the best price.
The individual panguero gets paid on quantity and size of his catch....the bigger the fish, the more he makes. |
I guess you could take your concern to the COOP. You did provide an operative phrase.."panguero gets paid". I would address that while you lodge
your complaint.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
There is another element that is threatening the fisheries along that part of the coast.
And that is the constant, never ending netting of inshore fish species by pangueros.
I have been on the beach at San Juanico and have seen the MASSES of fish brought back daily by pangueros and their nets.
Barred sandbass, stacked to the gunnels, hundreds of halibut, corvina and corbina.
Women, standing side by side, at gutting tables right beside the pangas doing their knife tricks.
And this goes on daily.....
A large truck trailer is parked there near the take out of the boats and they stack the whole fish inside like cordwood.
That truck trailer pulls out and takes the north road out to MX 1, bound for Tijuana and the fish markets.
The weigh master there told me that truck pulls out about twice a week loaded with fish.
By the time that truck is full and ready to head north, those fish are 3-4 days old. Then more time before they reach TJ.
By the time the consumer buys his fish, it's nearly a week old.
Is it any wonder I never got a bite over 3 days while surf fishing there?
The Corvina fetches a higher price than the halibut, which are sorted by size.....bigger size gets the best price.
The individual panguero gets paid on quantity and size of his catch....the bigger the fish, the more he makes. |
I guess you could take your concern to the COOP. You did provide an operative phrase.."panguero gets paid". I would address that while you lodge
your complaint. |
Far be it from me to tell some pangueros how to provide for their families.
It's none of my business. Period. If I have to eat hotdogs for supper is fine by me.
Snarkyness on your part duly noted.
The comparison was made to show there ARE other pitfalls to a declining fishery, other than a dredging operation 12 miles off shore.
Or there could be an endless supply of near shore market fish. I just don't know.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
There is another element that is threatening the fisheries along that part of the coast.
And that is the constant, never ending netting of inshore fish species by pangueros.
I have been on the beach at San Juanico and have seen the MASSES of fish brought back daily by pangueros and their nets.
Barred sandbass, stacked to the gunnels, hundreds of halibut, corvina and corbina.
Women, standing side by side, at gutting tables right beside the pangas doing their knife tricks.
And this goes on daily.....
A large truck trailer is parked there near the take out of the boats and they stack the whole fish inside like cordwood.
That truck trailer pulls out and takes the north road out to MX 1, bound for Tijuana and the fish markets.
The weigh master there told me that truck pulls out about twice a week loaded with fish.
By the time that truck is full and ready to head north, those fish are 3-4 days old. Then more time before they reach TJ.
By the time the consumer buys his fish, it's nearly a week old.
Is it any wonder I never got a bite over 3 days while surf fishing there?
The Corvina fetches a higher price than the halibut, which are sorted by size.....bigger size gets the best price.
The individual panguero gets paid on quantity and size of his catch....the bigger the fish, the more he makes. |
I guess you could take your concern to the COOP. You did provide an operative phrase.."panguero gets paid". I would address that while you lodge
your complaint. |
Far be it from me to tell some pangueros how to provide for their families.
It's none of my business. Period. If I have to eat hotdogs for supper is fine by me.
Snarkyness on your part duly noted.
The comparison was made to show there ARE other pitfalls to a declining fishery, other than a dredging operation 12 miles off shore.
Or there could be an endless supply of near shore market fish. I just don't know. |
not meant to be too snarky. actually I would thing the COOP would be an ally in the fight against dredging. would not the dredging disrupt the
fishery in the area?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by DaliDali
There is another element that is threatening the fisheries along that part of the coast.
And that is the constant, never ending netting of inshore fish species by pangueros.
I have been on the beach at San Juanico and have seen the MASSES of fish brought back daily by pangueros and their nets.
Barred sandbass, stacked to the gunnels, hundreds of halibut, corvina and corbina.
Women, standing side by side, at gutting tables right beside the pangas doing their knife tricks.
And this goes on daily.....
A large truck trailer is parked there near the take out of the boats and they stack the whole fish inside like cordwood.
That truck trailer pulls out and takes the north road out to MX 1, bound for Tijuana and the fish markets.
The weigh master there told me that truck pulls out about twice a week loaded with fish.
By the time that truck is full and ready to head north, those fish are 3-4 days old. Then more time before they reach TJ.
By the time the consumer buys his fish, it's nearly a week old.
Is it any wonder I never got a bite over 3 days while surf fishing there?
The Corvina fetches a higher price than the halibut, which are sorted by size.....bigger size gets the best price.
The individual panguero gets paid on quantity and size of his catch....the bigger the fish, the more he makes. |
I guess you could take your concern to the COOP. You did provide an operative phrase.."panguero gets paid". I would address that while you lodge
your complaint. |
Far be it from me to tell some pangueros how to provide for their families.
It's none of my business. Period. If I have to eat hotdogs for supper is fine by me.
Snarkyness on your part duly noted.
The comparison was made to show there ARE other pitfalls to a declining fishery, other than a dredging operation 12 miles off shore.
Or there could be an endless supply of near shore market fish. I just don't know. |
not meant to be too snarky. actually I would thing the COOP would be an ally in the fight against dredging. would not the dredging disrupt the
fishery in the area? |
I just don't know enough about that dredging operation to make the call on if it would be harmful to the fisheries or not.
I suppose it would somehow depend on what the bottom of the sea composition is at the site planned.
If it's mostly sand and mud, I have my doubts.
Mother Nature takes care of shifting sand deposits by way of the tidal flows and currents.
One year the sand is piled high on beaches and the next it's bare.
Storms move sand, currents move sand and tides move sand.
On the other hand, if that sea bed is full of vegetative life, where various sea creatures feed, hide and reproduce, that could be a cause of concern
to dredge it all up.
If I were a commercial fisherman in that area, I would certainly be concerned.
In my view, the pangeros themselves, should be more concerned about the non stop netting of inshore species from one particular area, rather than some
shifting sands.
From what I have seen in person, it appears there are no limits to the amount of their catch and no size limits. Maybe they do stop the netting and
trapping during certain times of the year. I just don't know this.
But then again, that net/trap fishing in the area has gone on for a long time. And they still bring in sizable quantities daily. Maybe the sea in that
area is immune to depletion?
I don't keep or want to keep the catch rates. But if I were a betting person, I would bet that catch rate has dwindled year after year.
I was there for a few days and I surf fished all those days, more than once a day.
I never got a bite and those same pangueros told me the best spots.
It's a good thing I had hot dogs as backup.
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Thanks everyone for the response and concern. I feel that phosphate mining can't be great for the area but as said above Baja takes care of herself.
I wish that I could have attended the meeting but couldn't due to work. Has anyone heard anything more about this?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
there is little fish inside the bay at SJ, hasn't been forever. you need to head north a ways, but you prolly know that already.
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everybody knows charlie don't surf
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