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surabi
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  | Your mind is puzzling, amigo. I am the one who is questioning that stupidity!
Sun spots and volcanoes can change climate and no amount of American money will change them or the climate.
Meanwhile, in China, they laugh at us while filling the sky with high sulfur coal smoke! |
You're the one questioning what stupidity? No one has claimed humans can prevent those things, so there is nothing to question in that regard (your
denseness is ongoing), nor has anyone said those things don't add to climate change.
And why do you keep deflecting to China? Just because your neighbor throws garbage in his yard, does that mean you should, too, and that is a valid
excuse for doing so?
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K | | I am still curious how spending billions will reduce sun spots or volcanic eruptions.... real climate changing events. |
DK goes with party line. GOP is against spending. If Dems are for it, he's against it. Just predictable.
Climate denier, election denier, believes Big Lie, will vote for the former Presidential loser if he can. His mind is made up. Spending billions
and billions of $$$ won't fix the problem so why bother?
Personally I thinking researching something that's a given is a waste of money. Still, some need more proof that sooner or later, we're all going to
h*ll in a hand basket. Won't be in my lifetime, so I'm good.
Relax Dave. Won't happen in your lifetime either.
US Marines: providing enemies of America an opportunity to die for their country since 1775.
What I say before any important decision.
F*ck it.
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JDCanuck
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RFClark: When you compare your two very low fuel consumption vehicles, which do you feel is the most practical from a total cost to savings viewpoint
including depreciation costs from cradle to grave? Both as practically useful in your environment? Niro unfortunately would not fulfill our needs in
Baja, but a couple years back before we moved to Baja it would have been ideal for our use in a more developed road environment up here. Cost however
was not justifiable compared to benefits of solar for the same outlay.
Secondly, what do you think about the newer applications of using an EV like the Ford Lightning as a backup battery supply to your solar system rather
than buying an equivalent amount of storage batteries(120kwh)?. Overnight use of an EV truck would be very rare.
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RFClark
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JD,
I did that breakdown here before. The IRS has raised the per mile deduction to $.625/mile currently if we drive from where we’re staying to where
we’re building we use no gas and charge on solar. Figuring that the Niro is 50% deprecated at 150K miles that’s $.10/mile at 20K miles/year
insurance is .06/mile. Maintenance is about $.10/mile or $.26/mile total. If we use gas we average 50MPG on long trips. So add $.15 for fuel and oil
changes. That’s $.41/mile against a $.625/mile deduction.
The biggest advantage is in stop and go traffic during hot weather. Like crossing the border at Mexicali when it’s 114 degrees. Since the AC is
electric and the motor only runs to charge the battery the car stays cooler and the electric AC runs at 100% output. The other big advantage is the
milage is as good or better in stop and go traffic, because the motor only runs part of the time..
We just sold the Ioniq PHEV deprecation was about $.10/mile
My feeling is that it’s potentially a great idea. One of the great things is any PHEV can be used as an emergency power ( 1KW) and heating/cooling
source. The cars/trucks that can store more electricity and feed it back to power the grid or your home are even better.
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JDCanuck
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JZ: I think Stossel's report is overly pessimistic. EV's are a major part of the solution, not the total one. There is a lot of development in less
environmentally costly and polluting batteries, faster charging batteries including super capacitors, solid state and flow, and also grid supplied
power sources. Coal power is definitely rapidly on its way out, carbon capture and storage on its way in as well as a huge amount of wind and solar
power presently in development globally.
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JDCanuck
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RFClark: So in the US, the government gives you a tax rebate for the miles you drive the Hybrid? I was hoping for Baja you might compare to the
imported truck you also drive? I suspect if we remove the US based rebates, there isn't much difference between a hybrid and an 800cc used import
truck. Just wondering
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RFClark
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The energy and water problems are social and not generally engineering problems. Since 70% of the earth’s surface is water and the sun shines most
every day, it comes down to the will to do what is necessary.
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They told us in 2017 that 93% of the Great Barrier reef was dead. In 2021 they found out it had the biggest coral cover ever.
Next are they gonna say coral is bad for other species?
I mean they did have to take down all their signs saying all the glaciers were going to melt by 2020.
Question any thing that has financial ramifications for special interest groups.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRx7BFjm/
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RFClark
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JD.
I didn’t include the rebate as a part of the calculation. That is applicable to taxes owed currently. The $.625 is the per mile standard deduction
for business or work miles driven based on gas or diesel powered cars, SUVs and light trucks. It represents what the government thinks it costs as a
comparison.
Our 660CC imported truck only gets about 30mpg and goes 55mph on a flat road. It’s a fun car not really transportation. Not comparable.
We had a Nissan Rogue a few years ago. It did 28mpg and had a useful life of about 150K miles. It cost double for fuel and more for maintenance.
My point was we drive electric because the costs are lower. If it’s good for the environment that’s great.
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JDCanuck
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Gotcha RFClark, apparently in Europe they are finding it cheaper to purchase and operate EVs as well and this is leading to the far more rapid
adoption of EV's there. I am just not finding our comparison here or in Baja close to equivalent yet. As both you and I have surplus solar
availability during the day we can both write off the charging costs at home.
Baja negatives are mainly because of the high prices on durable 4wd EV trucks including import costs and also very limited charge points. The Ford
Lightning Pro changed this significantly if purchased in the US by a US citizen and assuming the retroactive installation of the 2-way charger at a
decent cost.
My biggest motivation would be if we can replace future installed lithium 30kwh (cost about 15,000 at present) of solar system batteries with a plug
in 2-way EV battery and additionally have the EV available for trips to/from town. This would also let us eliminate the need for a backup propane
generator which is proving problematic at present both on obtaining fuel deliveries and noise when it starts up early in the morning.
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Pessimism is his 'brand' and his followers suck it up. 
MAGA
Making Attorneys Get Attorneys
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-stossel-is-a-patholo_b_2...
there's only two things in life but I forget what they are........
John Hiatt
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JDCanuck
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Adding this recent review of the Rivian R1T EV for the off road enthusiasts. Still too pricey for me, but might interest some out there. Comments?
https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-rivian-r1t-ev-off-ro...
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Dealing with the wrong environmental problem!
One year of bad fire management undid 18 years of expensive regulations! Spending the time and money to manage wild-land fires would have done more
than anything else and there were lots of fires in other years too!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/californias-2020-...
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Yes, burning down your house is a way of controlling mice too!
But probably not the best way even though it will get the mice out of your house!
Your “methods” don’t actually effectively deal with the problems and as “religious dogma” they can’t even be discussed!
Here’s the larger climate problem that must be addressed! And then there’s Fentanyl which makes COVID look like a walk in the park!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/californias-2020-...
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JZ
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Stossel is a Libertarian.
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Yep, a libertarian who sees nothing wrong with corporate greed and every man for himself mentality. With that ideology, not someone whose opinions I
respect.
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EV sales in Norway...2021, what is it they have discovered that is lost to us here?:
https://time.com/6133180/norway-electric-vehicles/
"Almost sixty-five percent of new passenger cars sold in Norway in 2021 were electric; in addition, 22% were plug-in hybrids. Put differently, only
14% of new cars were sold without a plug."
"The government therefore taxes the sales of new polluting cars heavily but does not tax EVs at all, making EVs, which are more expensive because of
their production costs, a competitive and appealing option. "
Sweden it seems is right behind them:
https://cleantechnica.com/2021/12/02/most-autos-sold-in-swed...
And Kudos to Biden for finally blocking this move regarding even more planned solar panel tariffs by the commerce dept. :
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-waives-solar-panel-ta...
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