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DouglasP
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Haven't swung into this place in awhile......
Good Gawd, nothing has changed.
I like beer, better than most people.
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Skipjack Joe
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Quote: Originally posted by lencho  |
Form over content?
Works fine on a full-sized screen, not so well on mobile platforms.
I think more than format, potential newcomers are put off by the toxic environment, which has nothing to do with the user interface.  |
You mean like pictures of people farting at each other?
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Alm
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| Quote: Originally posted by drzura | | I would say that all the banter that goes back and forth on this site typically comes from 4 or 5 members who are part of the more "mature" crowd.
Of the 27 pages for this thread, 1 page may be of useful information while the 26 other pages are banter going back and forth between these 4 or 5
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It's been like this forever. Threads go down the toilet after the first 6-7 posts, and there are waay more than 4 or 5 people doing it. Even the most
narrow topic rarely escapes the fate.
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caj13
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So as I understand the current science, it looks like the delta variant can break through and infect vaccinated individuals with high loads of virus,
but it doesn't make them sick, or very mild sysptoms.
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The delta variant looks to be more infective than the common cold, and just about as infective as chicken pox.
additionally, for unvaccinated individuals, The Delta variant is making them sicker, faster, with more serious effects.
Perfect, so I can walk around maskless (I am fully vaccinated) not worrying about getting a dangerous infection, and knowing that others fully
vaccinated will be just fine.
I could very well be infecting others, but so what - thats my choice right?. You personal freedom heros - You made your choices - you own the
consequences! a delta variant that is more infective, produces more severe effects quicker - who cares! -
I would be very interested in partying with you antivax / anti mask heros! - i'm particularly looking for you Paul! don't forget your bushel
full of carrots, rutabeggas,radishes!
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SFandH
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Good people are sick in the hospital and dying, many more are sick at home, unable to work, because of these people.
[Edited on 8-1-2021 by SFandH]
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Ateo
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Bad ideas have consequences...........free will is questionable.....the mind virus continues to mutate and take new hosts.........
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Benefits of mask wearing as reported recently through the scientists providing data from Johns Hopkins to Health Officials across the US remains
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I don't see how covering your mouth and nose to guard against virus-infected droplets exhaled by others in close proximity can be a questionable
practice.
And mask-wearing is even more effective in combatting the spread of the virus when an infected person wears one.
Not wearing a mask because they are supposedly ineffective goes against simple logic.
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Locally in our health region, we lost more seniors isolated in their homes in 2 days from the heat wave than we did from Covid in 18 months. There are
always costs to lock downs and other broadly applied measures and we depend on the local Health Authorities to balance risks against benefits.
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You're conflating the problems due to the heatwave with problems caused by lockdowns. Clearly, people staying home during extreme viral outbreaks is
an effective strategy and people have enough sense to leave home if they have mobility when it is dangerous to stay there.
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JZ
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I don't think masks are very effective, but wearing one doesn't bother me.
Now I'm totally against forcing kids to wear one all day at school. They overwhelmingly aren't at risk and aren't high spreaders of the disease.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
Form over content?
Works fine on a full-sized screen, not so well on mobile platforms.
I think more than format, potential newcomers are put off by the toxic environment, which has nothing to do with the user interface. |
| Quote: Originally posted by lencho |
You found that old piece of Japanese art offensive? In a venue where personal attacks, name-calling and hate-spewing are passed off as normal
acceptable behavior?
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No, I was referring to the hypocrisy of it.
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David K
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Since you have a better chance of being hit and killed by lightning, why aren't wearing rubber boots mandated (indoors or out)?
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | I don't think masks are very effective, but wearing one doesn't bother me.
Now I'm totally against forcing kids to wear one all day at school. They overwhelmingly aren't at risk and aren't high spreaders of the disease.
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And our local health advisor who is as well informed and experienced as anyone in our country agrees with you and has maintained this position
throughout despite the numerous death threats she has received from those demanding she force masks on them. |
What's her name? I'd like to read what she has to say.
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motoged
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Here you go....
Dr. Bonnie Henry:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/about-bc-s-health-care-system/office-of-the-provincial-health-officer/biographies
July 28/21 Provincial restrictions:
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/covid-19/info/restrictions
Why:
https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/covid-19-update-for-july-28-150-new-cases-no-deaths-b-c-launches-vaccine-campaign
https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/coronavirus-covid-19-local-news/heres-why-bc-is-ending-the-mandatory-mask-policy-on-july-1-3918379
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[Edited on 8-1-2021 by motoged]
[Edited on 8-1-2021 by BajaNomad]
Don't believe everything you think....
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ | I don't think masks are very effective, but wearing one doesn't bother me.
Now I'm totally against forcing kids to wear one all day at school. They overwhelmingly aren't at risk and aren't high spreaders of the disease.
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And our local health advisor who is as well informed and experienced as anyone in our country agrees with you and has maintained this position
throughout despite the numerous death threats she has received from those demanding she force masks on them. |
This is what she said back in March, before the more virulent delta mutation.
VANCOUVER -- All B.C. students in Grades 4 to 12 will now be required to wear masks in school.
Dr. Bonnie Henry announced the change in guidance during a news conference on Monday.
"We are now going to be updating our K to 12 public health guidance to support mask wearing for all students down to Grade 4 in schools across the
province,"
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/masks-now-mandatory-for-students-in-gr...
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SFandH
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| Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck | Yes, this was after many teachers were refusing to return to school if she did not issue mask mandates for older students, our latest surge in cases
was peaking and far fewer than 50% of the adult population had received even their first vaccinations. If you read the rest of that article, you will
notice that the teachers union had been demanding the masks in schools from K up for three months and she had resisted due to her knowledge of the
costs and benefits of such an order. Here are her present orders on masks:
Mask guidance
Masks are recommended in indoor public settings for all people 12 and older who are not yet fully vaccinated.
You're fully vaccinated 14 days after dose 2
Masks are optional for children aged 2 to 12
Children under 2 should not wear masks
Proof of vaccination does not need to be requested by service providers, except when visiting long-term care or seniors' assisted living facilities
Some people may choose to continue to wear a mask after they're fully vaccinated and that's okay
Vaccines are approved here for anyone over age 12
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About school mask-wearing in British Columbia, as of 12 July:
"Masks in schools guidelines
All K to 12 staff and all students in grades 4 to 12 are required to wear non-medical masks in all indoor areas, including:
At their work stations (desks)
On school buses
Within and outside learning groups...
Students in Kindergarten to grade 3 are encouraged to wear a mask indoors in schools and on school buses. Mask wearing remains a personal or
family/caregiver choice for these students, and their choices must be respected."
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/education-training/k-12/c...
[Edited on 8-1-2021 by SFandH]
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mtgoat666
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Since you have a better chance of being hit and killed by lightning, why aren't wearing rubber boots mandated (indoors or out)?
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Don’t be silly, DK.
Most people take safety measures when hearing thunder.
Likewise, during a pandemic, people should practice public health protection.
Masks are for reducing transmission of disease, not specifically for preventing hospitalization of the vaccinated. The vaccinated can and do transmit
the virus.
Back to your lightning example, I expect teachers to bring the kids indoors when they hear thunder. And I expect school districts to do what they can
to prevent disease transmission during pandemic, and seems like masks and social distancing during pandemic make sense for reducing transmission.
[Edited on 8-1-2021 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
Hands off!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Pronoun: the royal we
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SFandH
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Interesting county by county map of the United States showing vaccination percentages. It's in an article about who is unvaccinated and why. The map
is 1/2 way through the article. Mouse over to see county name and percentage.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-ame...
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JZ
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It is behind a paywall. Not going to give money to a rag that is the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.
Let us know how many stories they have done on the 200,000 ppl streaming across our Southern border every month, unvaccinated and untested. Many
Covid positive with Delta. Meanwhile the Canadian border is on lockdown to "stop Covid." Smdh.
Reading this trash is why so many ppl are blinded to reality.
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MrBillM
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Blaming, Shaming and Defaming are GOOD, But ........
....... Not enough.
What WILL work (that is too slowly being implemented in the U.S.) are the measures which will make daily life
increasingly difficult for those who refuse vaccination. Requiring vaccination proof for access to work, transportation, entertainment, recreation and
stores, etc. should soon have the desired result.
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caj13
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| Quote: Originally posted by David K |
Since you have a better chance of being hit and killed by lightning, why aren't wearing rubber boots mandated (indoors or out)?
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Thanks for providing the science that proves vaccines work, overwhelmingly and well - but of course, I guess the New york post, as well as you
havent caught up with the newest data on the Delta variant - right?
Let me know when you catch up to that data and science!
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