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RFClark
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Goat,
I’m not going to repost them but which part of all the models are junk don’t you get.
See below and remember the same can be said for most pre-‘70s engineering and science. It still can be said for Climate Science as the models still
don’t work!
https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2007/11/common-climate-misconceptions-1970s-global-cooling-concerns-lacked-todays-scientific-rigor-and-relevance/#:
~:text=Falling%20global%20temperatures%20from%201940,aerosol%20particles%20(see%20Wikipedia).
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I guess its "pile on Cliffy week" :-)
BTW I have no idea who you are referring to as my climate GURU, none what so ever.
So- what happened to the glaciers that made the Great Lakes?
Here's a cut from a NOAA publication- Am I to assume that the earth didn't warm up enough back then to melt glaciers 1 mile thick and covering an
area from the north pole to Kansas? HMMM- I guess the world ended back then also and that was only 15,000 years ago.
"How the Great Lakes formed" NOAA
"During the last ice age, the mile-thick Laurentide ice sheet covered most of Canada and the northern contiguous United States. The massive weight and
movement of this glacier gouged out the earth to form the lake basins. About 20,000 years ago, the climate warmed and the ice sheet retreated. Water
from the melting glacier filled the basinsoffsite link, forming the Great Lakes. Approximately 3,000 years ago, the Great Lakes reached their present
shapes and sizes. Today, the Great Lakes ecoregion contains a variety of habitats, including aquatic, forest, marsh, wetland, and dune ecosystems.
Widely varying climate, soils, and topography support more than 3,500 species of plants and animals"
Did you read that? 'THE EARTH WARMED AND MELTED THE GLACIRERS by none other than NOAA
Are we melting glaciers a mile thick right now? And what if we did? Would the world end now and not back then instead?
The world's climate has ALWAYS been changing since the advent of time. Now is no different AND as noted NONE of the climate models actually is
accurate.
How can anyone ascribe more hurricanes to a climate model or even warming by saying its something unusual when we don't even know ho many hurricanes
we had 400 or 500 years ago?
As noted before, the time of data collection is way too short to provide insight into long term projections with the earth's climate.
Can you find me a climate model that is accurate?
You say I hate science but you have no idea what I know or believe. I disagree with many opinions about climate as do many well degreed scientists.
That has nothing to do with hating science. Your argument there is specious.
Disagreeing and opposite points of view IS the scientific principle. Kowtowing to one side only is the anathema of the scientific process.
What do you say to the hundreds of well degreed scientists who disagree with the sky is falling mantra?
I'll pose another observation I made a long time ago- Why do so many treat humans on earth as something other than a normal progression of evolution
on the earth?
Again the earth is not going to disappear anytime soon. The climate may/will change and the biomass on the earth will mutate to accept and handle any
climate changes. It will all happen over many thousands of years just like it has happened before now. The earth and its inhabitants are very pliable.
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  | | Quote: Originally posted by caj13 | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | I guess we have never had a Cat 5 storm before in the history of the earth
What happened to the predictions of another coming Ice Age decades ago? Predictions by the best "scientists" in the world then?
What ever happened to Al Gore's predictions? Another icon of the climate change religion? I guess Florida should be under water by now ?
Let's see- didn't he start some kind of carbon exchange BUSINESS about that time to rake in the bucks while still riding around in a Gulfstream Jet ?
As far as I can tell the palm tree is still above water and has been for decades. I haven't even yet dug into the falsehoods of the afore mentioned
recent posting.
All the hysteria is nothing but PREDICTIONS
When you can PREDICT the weather next month with some form of accuracy on a daily basis come back and tell me and I might yell in concert "The sky is
falling"
Until then? FOLLOW THE MONEY just like we did with the jab!!!!
Hundreds of published scientific papers have been retracted in the last year due to false data claims. All because FUNDING for research is controlled
by the narrative and not the science. No funding= No research= NO career Alternative voices even by internationally known scientists gets canceled
for not toeing the line
Why no mention of one of the founders of Green Peace who has a counter argument? Not "educated" enough for a postulation? |
Hey Cliffy - are you lying on purpose - or just poorly "informed" by bogus claims - or willfully ignorant?
There never was any scientific claims of a coming ice age in the 1970's. Popular Myth - never happened - look it up Cliffy - its all a bunch of
bogus BS spouted by a bunch of deniers - who - in this group at least - get their climate science from a guy who repairs sprinklers - Believes the
world is 6000 years old, and the earth is flat - literally Cliffy - that's your climate guru -
scientific papers retracted because of forged data - yup - who discovered that Data Cliffy? who questioned it - thats all part of the scientific
method - it should have never gotten past the reviewers - but as soon as it did - and it got out to the scientific community at large - scientists
called Bull chit -
But I don't recall any significant climate papers being withdrawn - are you aware of some? if so - can I get a citation on it - i would be very
interested. But it kind of feels like you are trying to smear climate scientists by saying "scientists" falsified data - nope Cliffy - not how it
works!
and this whole funding crap - bullchit - you have no idea how it works, how science is funded - by whom, how - the process - nothing!
seriously - 6 million people dead of covid world wide - and you still think its a political scam! right -
The very science you hate - thats the reason you are still alive Cliffy - picking and choosing "science" as enemies because of your political
beliefs - sorry bucko - show me the data -
and for climate data - theres alot and it all tells the story you and your fellow deniers don't want to hear! Climate change is hear, it has huge
economic effects, and its getting worse. Hows yourv insurance costs going cliffy? do you live in California? or florida? guess what - climate
change - - and BTW we can now aply science to get a good estimate of how much worse climate events are because of global warming - but - well
you know - thats science - and since you can't be bothered to educate yourself - how would you know that! |
Caj:
Many of the denialists actually believe the misinformation they are fed by denialist media, no matter how whacky the misinformation.
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Like a broken record, JZ continues to claim he's still waiting for Spock's prediction of a coming ice age.
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All kinds of things happened on the planet, Cliffy. Not sure why you think anyone needs convincing of that.
The issue now is that rapid climate change is negatively affecting all living creatures and everything is interconnected. No, humans and animals are
not capable of withstanding the kind of high temperatures and other climate intensities that are happening.
Pathetic that this has to be explained to you endlessly as if you were a 5 year old, and it still doesn't register in your brain.
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That’s Hogwash!
The historical record of the time since the end of the last period of glaciation is littered with major volcanic events, sea floor methane eruptions,
major solar flares and large impacts from space. Each of these events effected earth’s life not in decades but days. Please note that the majority
of life is still here in spite of that and a far greater temperature increase than 1.5C! In fact that increase in temperature is why the seas rose
150M from all the melting ice.
In fact some of the most major events required painstaking research to even identify as having even occurred.
[Edited on 10-28-2023 by RFClark]
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Hogwash ? Without it what would "denialists" (I love that term) feed on?
Bahia Concepcion where life starts...given a chance!
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Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven
false?
Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they
won't.
Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Earth with ineffective solar and
wind farms.
Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger
than the common person?
Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?
[Edited on 10-28-2023 by JZ]
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven
false?
Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they
won't.
Are you denying that if the ybeally cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind
farms.
Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger
than the common person?
Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?
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I deny all of that!
Woke!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven
false?
Your opinion. Doesn't mean a thing.
Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they
won't.
Doesn't matter what the rest of the world does.
Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind
farms.
3 million + pounds of spent nuclear fuel that nobody wants. Let's just leave it at San Onofre until it leaks and there's a problem. You
mean leaks again! Onofre closed in 2013 because of leaks.
Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger
than the common person?
Just sour grapes. It's the money, isn't it? Try withholding taxes if it bothers you. Walk the walk.
Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?
Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from?
Gov't has a master plan to control the US?
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by JZ |
Are you denying they have come up with a new climate calamity prediction every decade for the last 60 years and every one of them has been proven
false?
Your opinion. Doesn't mean a thing.
Are you denying that that nothing the US does means anything until China, India, Russia, and all the 3rd world countries change course, which they
won't.
Doesn't matter what the rest of the world does.
Are you denying that if they really cared about the environment they would push nuclear instead of tearing up the Eath with ineffective solar and wind
farms.
3 million + pounds of spent nuclear fuel that nobody wants. Let's just leave it at San Onofre until it leaks and there's a problem. You
mean leaks again! Onofre closed in 2013 because of leaks.
Are you denying all these climate activists are flying around the world in private jets and living lives that leave a carbon footprint 1000x bigger
than the common person?
Just sour grapes. It's the money, isn't it? Try withholding taxes if it bothers you. Walk the walk.
Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?
Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from?
Gov't has a master plan to control the US?
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How did you get be so good at carrying the water for the man?
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Goat,
So you deny that China is building a lot of nuke power plants? I’ll bet that they will reprocess the fuel rods rather than store them as well!
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"Are you denying they are using the spread of climate fear to gain power?"
"Please stop whining! Spreading conspiracy theories is pointless. Few think climate change brings power. Where did that come from? Gov't has a master
plan to control the US?"
Right wingers' have an overriding fear of being "controlled". They apply their conspiracy theories to everything which values the common good over
selfish individualism. Climate change science and policies designed to mitigate man-made climate change means "they" are trying to control them, to
take away their freedom. We've seen the same attitude with Covid restrictions, and many other things.
However, they actually have no problem with control- as long as they are in control and want to force everyone else to live according to their
right-wing beliefs.
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You'd have to jump through a hundred mental hoops to be able to deny they are using climate fear to win votes.
They know damn well that all of their programs won't make one bit of difference. It's all about retaining power, control, and money.
That is the ultimate truth. Some see it (Goat) and don't care, some don't see it and are just naive pawns (Surabi), and some know it and speak out
about it.
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"It's all about retaining power, control and money."
And you call me naive? The nature of politics is playing to one's constituents and telling them what you think will get you the votes.
And your party of choice is the poster child for that. And the puppet master of that party has lived his entire life based on acquiring power,
control, and money. They are the only values he and the rest of them actually have.
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Watch this. It can be re-used to create energy.
https://youtu.be/IzQ3gFRj0Bc?si=UAv-H3MIyheyAqbB
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Raw power!
https://youtu.be/nLoz70aUpTE
Woke!
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Practice. Willing to carry water for anyone in need.
If nuclear waste was feasible, it would have happened by now. Carter nixed the idea and every President since has ignored the issues. What's
that about? Bush, Obama, the Former Loser in Chief? Political hot potato? Don't know and don't care. Especially don't care what is being
done in France, India or China.
Conspiracy to control people and gain power? Just nonsense.
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Lee,
You really can’t be that unobservant, or can you? 55% of the power in Ontario Canada is from nuclear steam plants. China is building more new
nuclear power plants than any other country. Are you saying that you don’t care what other countries are doing? You should because a world wide
problem requires the whole world working to solve it!
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I can't take anyone seriously on climate concerns if they aren't advocating for more use of green energy nuclear.
Wind and solar farms don't work and just tear up the Earth.
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I can't take anyone seriously who says "wind and solar farms don't work".
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