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surabi
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Profound commentary.
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“From Prometheus to Arcadia: Liberals, Conservatives, the Environment, and Cultural Cognition“
Apoplectic over dogma!
https://www.econlib.org/library/columns/y2022/desrochersprom...
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Gee, a libertarian website. How predictable.
The Library of Economics and Liberty (Econlib) website is owned and published by the Liberty Fund, which is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization funded
through donations. Pierre Frist Goodrich founded the Liberty Fund in 1960. Goodrich left most of his considerable estate to the Liberty Fund. The
Econlib website and Liberty Fund lack transparency with funding.
Analysis / Bias
The organization has been criticized recently as it is drifting away from its founder’s vision as the board has been a vocal advocate for Former
President Trump. The website publishes articles such as “The Beef with Greed: Leo Tolstoy and Adam Smith.” Econlib also provides articles that
favor the right and often the policies of President Trump, such as this “The Threats to Democracy, Part I.” The Library of Economics and Liberty
(Econlib) generally advocates for a free-market economy with minimal regulations.
When reporting on climate change, the Library of Economics and Liberty (Econlib) publishes articles minimizing the effects of climate change
“William Nordhaus versus the United Nations on Climate Change Economics.” In this article, the author states, “Nordhaus’s work shows that such
an aggressive goal would make humanity much worse off than if we simply adapted to climate change with no government measures.” The author Robert P.
Murphy is an economist for a Houston, Texas-based think-tank called the Institute for Energy Research (IER). According to DesMog, “The IER has
received over $307,000 in funding from ExxonMobil and $237,000 From Koch Family Foundations. PRI has received over $600,000 from Koch Foundations and
significant donations from Scaife Foundations.”
Failed Fact Checks
None in the Last 5 years
Overall, we rate The Library of Economics and Liberty (Econlib) Right Biased based on political positions and advocacy that favors the right. We also
rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High due to a lack of transparency with funding.
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So let me understand this. It’s a book review. The book which was reviewed on Amazon as well and its Phd author are biased because you don’t agree
with the politics of someplace else that also reviewed the book!!
Can you say “Dogma uber alles”!!
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Seems to me we would be far better off spending our money and energy providing both solar powered air conditioning and water production for those
extremely at risk than financially penalizing individuals and industries who have no alternatives at present and must use fossil fuels to survive.
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | | So let me understand this. It’s a book review. The book which was reviewed on Amazon as well and its Phd author are biased because you don’t agree
with the politics of someplace else that also reviewed the book. |
No, you don't "understand this" at all. I don't consider someone biased because I don't agree with their politics. I consider someone biased when all
the places they get their information conveniently agree with their politics. It's called confirmation bias.
My comment had nothing to do with the book review or the book itself, which I haven't read.
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You might benefit from reading either but you can’t because it’s outside your belief system
Dogma uber allas at it’s finest!
You probably haven't read any of the articles coming out of Norway either. Norway the country where 87% of the cars sold are EVs.
Now the Greens there are saying that the conversion to EVs is actually damaging the efforts to make cities in Norway carless and just driving EVs
won’t meet the reductions required to “save the planet”!
They are now saying that only bicycles, walking and public transit in the cities and driving restrictions outside them will do. That and reducing the
total road milage in the country.
Norway is very American in its use of personal transport!
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"The claim: Thousands of scientists sign 'climate crisis hoax' document
A Sept. 14 article (direct link, archive link) circulating on Facebook claims a large group of scientists downplayed the dangers of climate change in
a signed declaration.
"Thousands of Scientists Unite to Expose ‘Climate Crisis’ Hoax," reads the headline of the article, which was published on the website News
Addict.
Thousands of scientists did not sign the document referenced in the article. The document lists only around 1,600 purported signatories, the vast
majority of whom have no listed expertise in climate science. Hundreds of the purported signatories are not listed as being scientists of any kind,
according to a USA TODAY count.
While the article's headline references "thousands of scientists," the article's text states that only 1,609 scientists "gathered together to sign a
declaration, proclaiming that 'there is no climate emergency.'"
USA TODAY found around 100 purported signatories listed as having college degrees in the fields of climate science, climatology, meteorology,
paleoclimatology, environmental science, atmospheric science or atmospheric physics or as being scientists in those fields.
Other signatories listed credentials far outside the climate realm (if they list any). Titles listed include:
Senior ship designer
Financial advice specialist
Sceptical (sic) scientific contrarian in the climate debate
Leadership development and coaching
Sculptor, designer and innovator
Commercial fisherman
Airline pilot
Sommelier
Historical linguist
Lifetime explorer of truth
IT professional
PhD in mental health"
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We've been back at our place on Bahia Concepcion for three weeks, a new moon and a full moon. We've been spending the winters here for 12 years or so,
and I've never seen higher tides. Popular camping spots are flooded, beachfront homes along El Burro beach are getting undermined by seawater, and
roads around the various beaches are flooded at high tide. Also, the low tides are higher than normal.
These are not the highest tides of the year; they occur in January.
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I'm sure the climate change deniers will either tell you it's all in your imagination or that it's perfectly normal and has nothing to do with climate
change.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | I'm sure the climate change deniers will either tell you it's all in your imagination or that it's perfectly normal and has nothing to do with climate
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Of course, otherwise, they wouldn't be deniers.
The road I use to get to my place has been flooded during the new moon / full moon high tides. I don't like driving through seawater, so I've avoided
it when flooded. This is the first year I've seen the road flooded.
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News Greens Rarely Speak of!
New Technology Pilot Generating Plant to begin operation in 2024.
https://netl.doe.gov/node/7549
This new technology can replace current steam turbine plants with a 10X reduction in turbine size, a 10% increase in efficiency and a 10X reduction in
start time.
Past that because the smaller plant size would allow plants to be located closer to locations where the 50% of the total energy wasted could be used
to run hot and cold water loops efficiencies far higher than 50% would be possible.
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The why of Tides - interesting reading
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/earth-and-planetary-sci...
Baja California has the Mixed Semidiurnal Tides which creates large excursions in the high tides. Far larger than the estimated 80mm sea level rise
since 1995.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
The road I use to get to my place has been flooded during the new moon / full moon high tides. I don't like driving through seawater, so I've avoided
it when flooded. This is the first year I've seen the road flooded.
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Well, you must be so grateful that RFC chimed in to educate you on basic tidal information.
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
The road I use to get to my place has been flooded during the new moon / full moon high tides. I don't like driving through seawater, so I've avoided
it when flooded. This is the first year I've seen the road flooded.
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Well, you must be so grateful that RFC chimed in to educate you on basic tidal information. |
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Well, since 80mm of sea level rise in 28 years is unlikely to result in flooding the road. Just perhaps something else cyclic is causing the tides to
be higher or the land to be lower, possibly both, as is happening along the East Coast of North America.
Perhaps, God forbid, it’s a natural cycle that can’t be blamed on people. I realize that doesn’t fit your cherished narrative but it happens.
You might note who’s bemoaning the “pending disaster” while buying sea level ocean front property. Always follow the money and or power!
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Breaking news!
Pope says he will attend COP28 climate summit in Dubai, a first by a pontiff!
Pope does not deny!
Woke!
“Por el bien de todos, primero los pobres.”
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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80 mm? Is that one of your "alternative facts"?
"Over the past 100 years, global temperatures have risen about 1 degree C (1.8 degrees F), with sea level response to that warming totaling about 160
to 210 mm (with about half of that amount occurring since 1993), or about 6 to 8 inches. And the current rate of sea-level rise is unprecedented over
the past several millennia."
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/faq/13/how-long-have-sea-levels-be...
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Here’s NASA’s Satellite chart - you do the math!
From 1995 to Current.
You’re welcome to your own dogma but not your own data!
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RFC- it wasn't necessary to post your graph- it shows the same thing the NASA article I linked to does. My point is that you cherry-pick the info that
fits your narrative and omit whatever doesn't- yes, the sea level rise has been about 80mm in the past 28 years, but has been twice that in the past
100 years- the sea level is rising much faster over the past few decades than it did prior to that and continues to escalate at an unprecedented rate.
80 mm might not sound like much, but sea level rise affects many things negatively. For instance, sea turtles who lay their eggs above high tide line
are having their eggs wash away- when humans build homes at the beach, and the high tide gets higher- there is little beach left above high tide for
the turtle eggs to be undisturbed. This has already happened in some areas.
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