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JZ
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Yawn.
True, climate changes. Also true, man can't stop climate change.
The Climate Crisis is just one big grift by politicians to get rich and control people. It's been that way for 60 years now. Don't be a fool and
fall for it. 
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If mankind was the cause of the recent glacier disappearance what, pray tell, caused the end of the last Ice Age 15,000 years ago when glaciers all
the way down to mid-America retreated north and disappeared? They were MASSIVE glaciers and glacial activity thousands of times larger than what we
have lost in the last 30 or 40 years. That takes a lot of HEAT AND NOBODY was here then. No people, no electricity, no cars and trucks, no trains, no
nothing but wilderness and a few Neanderthals.
How about a discussion on the tilt of the earth's axis and its affect on climate?
Didn't Al Gore say we would be dead by now if we didn't join his carbon offset scheme? And that was what? 30 years ago? He gave us 10 years IIRC
The climate has always changed for 5 billion years. Adapt or die off has been going on for as long.
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I could have predicted that one of the resident science deniers would be along in short order with their idiotic "the climate has always been
changing" ignorance.
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Are you denying that the glaciers disappeared without mankind's intervention?
Did the glaciers disappear or not?
Was man the cause for it?
Simple questions with simple answers.
Tell me how YOU account for the disappearance of the last Ice Age.
Could it have happened if the earth got colder then?
The fact remains that the climate has been changing since before the dinosaurs. BTW the climate was warmer than now and had more O2 in the atmosphere
than we have now in the days of the dinosaurs .
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surabi
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Asking the same questions endlessly, to which you have already been given science-based answers and explanations multiple times and choose to ignore,
makes it evident that your uninformed opinions and beliefs are what you are attached to, and have zero interest in learning anything. So your posts on
this subject are pointless.
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You have NEVER answered the base question-
What caused the Ice Age glaciers to disappear BEFORE mankind
arrived in any numbers?
Its easy to spout platitudes of your belief and never answer the base question. Who's avoiding science now?
Or is it only "good" science when it supports your argument by taking it out of the larger context?
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work.
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surabi
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Your "base" question is imbecilic. Obviously glaciers melt because of higher temperatures, duh. Current climate change crisis has to do with the rate
of change and is directly and scientifically proven to be caused by human activity. But of course trying to explain this simple concept to you is like
talking to a wall.
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Cliffy- Don't waste your time with a liberal when it comes to logic or common sense. Especially when it is a far left radical that can't see the whole
Climate scam is about money and power.
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surabi
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You're right about one thing- it's all about money and power. Billionnaires and corporations destroying the environment and the climate for personal
profit.
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Quote: Originally posted by surabi  | | You're right about one thing- it's all about money and power. Billionnaires and corporations destroying the environment and the climate for personal
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Such a tired comment. Most billionaires are Liberals. Almost all super wealthy celebrities are liberals.
They all fly their jets around nonstop and tell the rest of us to stop eating cows.
John Kerry, the Climate Czar, had a private jet and caused more pollution in a year than 500 rednecks running their diesel trucks in their front yards
continuously for 3 years. Probably if they were all "rolling coal" too.
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No one will ever forget Newsom:
1. Banning people from dinning out and mandating masks
>> And a week later he's at the French Laudary maskless with a dozen friends
2. Banning ordinary people from sending their kids to in person public school
>> While sending his kids to private school for in person classes
Why do people fall for this crap?
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surabi
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WTF does your hatred of Newsom and Covid protocols have to do with the topic of climate change? You gonna start blathering about windmills causing
whale cancer or golden ballrooms and drapes next? Did you forget what this thread topic is?
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Everything. How do you not understand this? 
It's all about the elites controlling the population and doing the exact opposite of what they tell us to do.
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No I didn’t. Those supposed rising sea levels have yet to get ANY closer to the famous old palm tree. Not to worry though, climate alarmists won’t
let on the ground facts ruin their money making panic machine.
I am a bit surprised one of the fanatics hasn’t killed the tree yet. It standing there is a danger to their BIG LIE.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work. |
The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.
Any statement about the future is "guesswork" to some degree.
Install a spelling and grammar checker.
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Th only thing the tree huggers can say is - "the climate is changing"
OK given that- So what! Prognostications of what will happen are just blind guesses and nothing more.
The USA and the EU could go to zero emissions and nothing would change due to the emissions of the rest of the world.
Yet the tree huggers want us to fund trillions of dollars of green actions for NOTHING GAINED.
AS I said before, its a worldwide issue and until it gets a world wide response NOTHING will change.
China and India aren't going to sign on so you're beating a dead horse
if you think all this effort will make a meaningful difference in the worldwide climate- It won't!
Come out of your hole and look at the basic physics on a worldwide scale.
Is the climate changing- YES
What does that mean? Who the hell knows- its only guess work
So what if the ocean goes up a foot in a thousand years
Who gives a damn!
People adapt over time. They always have They always will
To quote a famous oracle (Rush) Adapt or die!
That's been the way of the world for 5 BILLION years.
You ain't going to change it.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work. |
The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.
Any statement about the future is "guesswork" to some degree.
Install a spelling and grammar checker.
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I didn't know I was turning in a PhD dissertation on the English Language
Maybe I should submit it to my son with a Masters in English before I post.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
And I have never denied that man has an affect on the climate
The only argument is how much and what will its long term affect be
Which at this point is only guess work. |
The word affect is a verb; the word effect is a noun. You have it backward.
Any statement about the future is "guesswork" to some degree.
Install a spelling and grammar checker.
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I didn't know I was turning in a PhD dissertation on the English Language
Maybe I should submit it to my son with a Masters in English before I post. |
LOL! He can't address the validity of the point you make so he reverts to criticizing your grammar. Don't waste your son's time on these libtards.
You are correct in that even if the USA conquered all other nations and went to ZERO emissions, we have no idea what the warming/cooling cycles would
do. But we DO KNOW the climate would continue to change regardless. This whole thing is absurd.
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Referring to environmentalists and environmental scientists as "tree huggers" and "libtards" instantly makes it obvious that the man-made climate
change deniers' opinions and beliefs have zero to do with science and everything to do with their politics. For some reason, right wingers seem to
need to make everything political, even when they are social, environmental, or medical issues having nothing to do with politics, and all adhere to a
strict set of beliefs.
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The science is clear, greenhouse gas emissions from industrialization has caused detrimental climate change. Reasonable people can debate how to
mitigate the ghg emissions. Ignorant people are stuck on denial of basic science.
Woke!
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