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rts551
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Jan
Read his last post. This guy is no JR
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rts551
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Not all of Baja is as you describe it or would quote others as describing it. What was it you were saying about generalities?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by tripledigitken
Fulano,
You obviously have a less than stellar view of Baja and Mexico in general. With that said, why do you continue to visit here and post an
extraordinarliy high percentage of news items which highlight the problems of Mexico? |
Actually, I have fond memories of Baja. I’ve dived at BOLA. I used to fly into San Felipe when the airstrip was a dirt strip in the middle of town.
I’ve spent many a summer on the beaches between Rosarito and Ensenada. My dentist is still in Tijuana. But the old girl Baja has aged. Some people on
the board are “invested” in Baja and talk about her today as if it is still the same as it was 30-years ago. It’s like the teenager who shagged the
high school cheerleader under the bleachers talking about her 30-years later as if she hasn’t changed. Even though she now has false teeth and her
boobs hang down around her navel.
You want this board to be like those glossy throw away magazines you can find all over Baja extolling the virtues of Mexican real estate? There’s
another group here who want to tell it like it is, not like it was. There are a lot of people who want good, and current, information on Baja. They
don’t want to have to sort out the BS. If you look, the only time I really jump in hard is when somebody tells the BIG LIE.
It amazes me that some people here cannot see the irony in their own posts. Just a casual reading of a few days’ messages will produce a plethora of
posts from people with their own agenda demonstrating their own brand of irrationality:
- There’s the guy who sells Mexican Auto Insurance trying to tell us that the crime rate in San Diego is worse than in Baja.
- There’s the guy who loves and lives in Baja advising another to only drive during the daytime and use an old junker to not draw attention.
- There’s the guy who married an illegal alien woman from Mexico, whose marriage worked out good, advising us that we should have open borders.
- There’s the guy who built a new house in Loreto who put it on the market a year ago for $410,000 and now has the asking price down to $299,000.
- There’s the guy down in the Cabo area who has concertina wire all around his house contemplating whether the wire is to keep criminals out or keep
him in.
- There are endless comments from people who live in Baja about the ripoffs at gas pumps, ripoffs from propane vendors, ripoffs from polica.
All I'm saying is that people should tell it like it is. |
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Gypsy Jan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Jan
Read his last post. This guy is no JR
[Edited on 5-21-2008 by rts551] |
OK, I am game.
Please tell me about how you dissent.
“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow mindedness.”
—Mark Twain
\"La vida es dura, el corazon es puro, y cantamos hasta la madrugada.” (Life is hard, the heart is pure and we sing until dawn.)
—Kirsty MacColl, Mambo de la Luna
\"Alea iacta est.\"
—Julius Caesar
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack JoeIn the 80's everyone on television was blond and looked european. You wondered where they got these people.
Nobody around you looked remotely like the people on the screen. But now actors seem to be more representative of the nation.
But baja is different. A sunny place with a friendly disposition. |
I've driven to/from Copper Cyn, TJ to Cabo & back, flown to the Peruvian Amazonas, the Colombian desert, El Salvador, Panama, and I have to say
that Baja is different, a sunny place with a friendly disposition.
I like the people of Baja much better. They are nicer, not quite as class-conscious, and like to befriend Americans who try to communicate and are
sincere. Colombia sounds like Mexico was back in the 1980s.
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Fulano...
It's not that people on this board love Baja.
It's that they are in love with AN IDEA OF BAJA. And there is a huge difference.
I'll tell you one thing, the more Spanish you know and the more time you spend with the local Mexicans no matter where you go you come to realize just
how much crime the Mexicans have to deal with in their own backyard.
I think you already know this.
e.g. -- A few years back I drove out to Laguna Manuela and walked out to the pangas tied up at the lagoon outlet. There was an old shack there on the
highest ground of sand. Inside was an old man with some food, a radio, and bedding. I asked him why he was out there. He told me to guard the
pangas. "From who" i asked. He said "from thieves at night". Apparently thieves were comming in by sea, stealing the pangas (motor and all), and
towing them to a pickup point to be loaded on trailers, repainted, and used in some other fish camp on the other side of the peninsula. This is the
Baja Gringos may not hear much about.
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Skipjack Joe
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Oh, I know the old man you speak of. The high tide comes almost right up to his doorstep. We're always greeted by a couple of angry dogs but he shoos
them away after he sees us. As a courtesy, we always ask him if we can fish the entrance to the lagoon and he always obliges. The dogs then just
follow us around as we reel the croakers in. My son lost his sandal on our last trip. We spent a lot of time searching until we found one of the dogs
curled up with it next to the old man's shack.
Never felt much danger there. The only danger seemed to be the soft sand but the 4wd took care of that.
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Maybe it's a "Bad Roads, Good People" thing but on my first trip to San Felipe about 35 years ago I noticed that all the pangas on the beach had no
props -- I learned the owners took the props home at night because people were stealing them. A few short years later I made my way south here about
60 miles north of Cabo San Lucas in East Cape and discovered the beach full of pangas with props. I kept my panga on the beach here for 5 years with
little problem and now there are about 10 Superpangas to $40,000 each down there, no guards, no fences, no lights, no problems. Are we remote? Is that
all there is to it? I wonder.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ElFaro
Fulano...
It's not that people on this board love Baja.
It's that they are in love with AN IDEA OF BAJA. And there is a huge difference.
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Ding ding ding. Bingo! Of course this does not apply to everyone, but there is a lot of that here. Equally true is that most folks here are tourists,
and remain so even after visiting for years.
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Fulano, glad you're here -- we need more intelligent discourse. The Old Hag Baja may have become exists only for those who brought their heads down
here, left their hearts in Idaho Falls. For many of us hopeless Nomad romantics the doll remains young and fresh and excitingly unique in our
memories. What can compare to a few tear-jerking ballads of the Mariachies singing only to you, at your table after a delightful lobster dinner,
margaritas and Gran Marnier? Who would tarnish that memory? Leave us to our madness, our fruitless search for another first, sweet kiss. Some of us
can still find hints of her here and there, a whif of jasmin, a beach, deserted, ablaze with stars, safe, enduring, unchanged. Some of us will see her
that way until it is the very last thing we see.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Osprey
What can compare to a few tear-jerking ballads of the Mariachies singing only to you, at your table after a delightful lobster dinner, margaritas and
Gran Marnier? |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRfgRwF0Fto
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My heart soars like an eagle.
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Capt. George
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Osprey, was that you with the guitar???
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
we send all our banditos up to Ascuncion, that's how we keep it so peaceful way down here!
I'd come visit you up there but I'm afraid.... cap'n g |
Hey, just knock down the fence that other person in your town is building and come on up and visit. No problem, those banditos are probably now
living in Santa Rosalia. 
Diane----
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we send all our banditos up to Ascuncion, that's how we keep it so peaceful way down here!
I'd come visit you up there but I'm afraid.... cap'n g |
Hey, just knock down the fence that other person in your town is building and come on up and visit. No problem, those banditos are probably now
living in Santa Rosalia.
Diane---- |
No, NO. Its going to be a virtual fence. We can't have your wicked invading our serene Open Eyes, now can we!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
| Quote: | Originally posted by Capt. George
we send all our banditos up to Ascuncion, that's how we keep it so peaceful way down here!
I'd come visit you up there but I'm afraid.... cap'n g |
Hey, just knock down the fence that other person in your town is building and come on up and visit. No problem, those banditos are probably now
living in Santa Rosalia.
Diane---- |
No, NO. Its going to be a virtual fence. We can't have your wicked invading our serene Open Eyes, now can we!!! |
Now, would that be a virtual razor wire, or a simple cactus fence? Just want to know what we have to climb over. Of course, these days, climbing
over any fence would be difficult. 
Diane
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when in baja, i feel like i have been transported back to the days of the wild west and try to act accordingly.
setting sun deals bands of gold; there\'s velvet in eyes in mexico.
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gringette, Yea, if you get a few miles off Hwy 1, it's like stepping back into the 1800's. No electricity, no indoor plumbing, nothing but the basics and some very honest and friendly people.
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gringette
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also a sense of lawlessness and anything goes. good or bad. caution and respect at all times.
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setting sun deals bands of gold; there\'s velvet in eyes in mexico.
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Capt. George
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no indoor plumbing?
so why do you think they invented Depends?
Besides, it's such a warm and personal feeling!
\"The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men\" Plato
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