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SiReNiTa
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...just a small input...a story i think i already told here on the forum...just to make all of us think a little bit...not really THE answer
butmaybe...a possible route to a better world...country or state...
One day, a man was sitting in front of his TV watching the news, and all he saw was war, murder, and plain bad news...he started thinking that, if
only he could change the world, he would be recognized as a hero world wide, so he got up and decided to set out to make our planet a better place, he
said good bye to his family and friends and left...
he tried and tried but had no success what so ever, so he went home and sat once again in front of his TV feeling very sad, then he had an idea!!
well...if he couldn't change the whole world then...he could for sure change his continent!!!!!!!! so he left again on his never ending quest....and
surprise surprise he failed once again...and as he sat in his living room starting to get angry with him self he thought that if only he could change
his country then he would have at least done something...but he failed yet again, on his way home, on the verge of giving up his fae lit up and he
said to the taxi driver, if i could change our state...of course!!!! that's what he had to do!!!...but...he ame home empty handed once more...
he spent days and days in his home thinking of the reason why he couldn't change anything!! then he thought that at least he could change his
city...but yet again he failed...and so...he started to try to change his family...and all he got was bad feelings from his children and wife...by now
he was...desperate, he cried and was very angry...so he went back to sitting on his couch in front of the TV...and all of a sudden..he realized that
he would never be able to change any one else if he did not change first...how could he try to change the world when he had the same faults as the
rest of the people...
yes it's true...it's getting really nasty down here and i for oe would give my life to see mexico get better, but it's really not fare to say that
this country was never our country...because it's as much ours as it is everyones...drugs and war can't take that away because it's not
material...it's in our blood...in our soul...and yeah it sound cheesy but it's true...
Mexico is ours and always will be..no matter how hard the drug lords and ba people try to take it away...
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
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coonhound
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Well,well,well.
I have watched since late last year the members of this board poo poo anyone who dared mention crime or violence in Baja. Oh its funny what a year
of terrible violence will do to change the attitudes on this board. The violence will creep further south and the kidnappings will start to happen to
the tourist soon. The corrupt immigration authorities have all your banking info and your addresses and will give them up when prodded for cash.
Mexico is a failed stated and this time next year you will all be talking about how its not safe to be in Baja anymore.
The economic downturn is causing the return of over 900,000 mexican nationals this year alone and a good many of them are career criminals released
from US jails. Do you think these punks are going to go back to Mexico to grow vegetables or open a taco stand. They will attack those who have the
money and that is all the nice folks from the USA who spend time in the dangerous Baja.
Anyone who doubts this will have posted in the last 10 months that Baja is safe and the bad news is all the fault of the SDnewspapers.
Baja is lost and you should get out while you still can with some dignity before you are running to the border with your car packed full of your
belongings.
Its Mexicos problem,not yours and we should not be part of their cleanup which will take decades.
The clock is ticking and the kidnappings of americans is just around the corner as the enonomic crisis starts to choke the money supply of all the
little hamlets you all so love.
[Edited on 11-23-2008 by coonhound]
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SiReNiTa
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look...ok...i am sorry if i slip a little here doug and all baja loving people...
dear coon hound...it's because of people that stand and watch and don't do anything that not only mexico but the whole world is going down the
drain...because the attitude that you are suggesting about it's their problem not mine so why should i care is just the thing that has brought us to
this point...oh sure...maybe it's not the same topic but hey there's some one beating a girl up on the street but..hey since it's not a friend of mine
then..why should i care...or...oh wow...everyone else throws trash on the street so...one little peace that i throw shouldn't make a difference...
if people on this forum talk about the violence and crime in mexico with concerned words it's because they are talking about a place that we love and
that has always had it's doors and the hearts of it's people open to them...and yes there is danger around the corner as there is any where else in
the world...like it or not sir many of the people on this board still call baja their home even if they are tourists...i have heard people say as soon
as they cross the border in to mexico...home sweet home...even though they had left ther house in the states hours before...so if you don't care about
this magical place then...please don't try to get others to stop caring to because i really doubt that will happen...and even if it does then oh
well...i have faith that change is coming slow but sure and it might take years and years and it's also true that sometimes it needs to hit bottom so
that things can get better and if thats what has to happen let it be...i would gladly risk my life and future for a better mexico...but we have what
we have...oh well...we can stand by and watch like you suggest or we can at least try to put our grain of sand...
now...if you are so scared...then just don't come here anymore...i'm sorry if that sounds rude to you but...it's the best thing for you and for
everyone!
have a nice afternoon...
SiReNiTa***
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
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toneart
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Well well well, Coonhound
You sound familiar. Doubt if you are really a newby. We've seen you before here on the Nomad. We were hoping you were banned for ever but you keep
popping up.
While your scenario may be possible, to declare it takes a very dark mind. You seem to take a special (and familiar) glee in hoping for the worst for
Mexico, Mexicans, Baja and Gringos in Baja.
While the rest of us are discussing the situation and trying to envision solutions, you are bringing a fatal negative energy to the forum. You have
nothing to contribute here.
You, and all of us can learn from the beautiful soul that is Sirenita.
Thank you Sirenita, for your uplifting perspective!
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toneart
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There you go, Sharks!
| Quote: | Originally posted by Sharksbaja
[Edited on 11-22-2008 by Sharksbaja] |
You've dressed these brokers up and they look legal and respectable. Now do they look violent to you?..........Nooooooo. Now everybody's happy.
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toneart
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The more I read Serinita's wisdom, the clearer it becomes. We have to begin with oneself before we are very useful to others. I have worked on that,
but it is a lifetime job.
Be careful of the words you declare. Words contain a lot of power. They bear/bare the soul of the speaker. Delving into negative thought and
declarations can indeed cause them to manifest. The obverse is also true.
Regarding Palmetto99, er I mean Coonhound's prophecy, I don't want to go there. Loftier thoughts serve better.
This conversation, because of him, is over. There will be no further response from me.
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SiReNiTa
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thank you toneart for listening or...reading
any way we all know what baja is really about no matter how much dirt is thrown on top!
as my mom says...if you don't have anything nice to say...it's better not to say anything at all!!!
unless it has a really good point!
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
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bombero
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Someone stated "Thank God for the ACLU"? I hope to God that whatever they are smoking is never legalized!
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ELINVESTIG8R
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I came up with this motto while serving in Desert Storm after hearing so much whining coming from people who were supposedly tough. There are some
defeatist whiners in here that could sure benefit if they adhered to this motto!
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David K
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God bless you David 'ELINVESTI8'!
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BajaGringo
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Thank you Sirenita and very well said David!!!
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by coonhound
The economic downturn is causing the return of over 900,000 mexican nationals this year alone and a good many of them are career criminals released
from US jails. Do you think these punks are going to go back to Mexico to grow vegetables or open a taco stand. They will attack those who have the
money and that is all the nice folks from the USA who spend time in the dangerous Baja.
[Edited on 11-23-2008 by coonhound] |
The Mexican deportees are already here with PRISON gang connections doing exactly what you say. I don't agree that the deportees will share- they
won't give up their extortion and kidnap enterprises with out of work MExicans heading home. It'll just be another turf war- not over drug routes- but
of kidnap and extortion tagets. There just aren't enough of us American targets to go around.
I guess that's why they are targeting the teachers now for their christmas bonuses instead.
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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SiReNiTa
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lol ...elenvest18 i have never hear a better motto!!
great piece of wisdom right there!!!
it's true how can we ever hope for a better place if we just sit and whine all day!!!
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by soulpatch
Ahhhh....platitudes ....they always get the job done!
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More likely to motivate some positive change than beetching, moaning and groaning...
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SiReNiTa
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lol...i think that depending on the way you think about things is the kind of out come you get, it's happend to me many times...if i think that things
are not going to work out...they usually don't!
but if i think and hope for the best and just do what i have to do as best as i can then things go pretty smooth!
also...the drug lords in mexico are so powerfull...but the only reason the are where they are right now is because the people let them rule their
lives...they let the fear stop them from doing what they have to do to keep their lives happy and peacefull...well...no matter how strong those nasty
narcos are...i'm not scared and i will not let them ruin my life...because it's mine to live the way i think i should with my family and friends and
no one can take that away from me except god...and those people are no gods!
at the very least if something ever happens to me (Dios no lo quiera) i will be happy to know that i lived a full happy life with no limitations...!
people only have as much power as the other people give them...
pEaCe!!
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
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DianaT
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coonhound AKA several other names, must be very good with computers. Notice that under the name, instead of Newbie, Nomad, etc., it says "banned".
IMHO, nothing will stop the drug lords and the violence except the legalizing of the current illegal drugs in the US. Many of the illegal drugs in
the US have not been illegal for that many years in terms of history. It would take the mega money out of the drug trade.
OK, before the flames come, let me just add that I lost a brother many years to because of his heroin addiction, ---nasty business, but legal or
illegal, I believe he would have been addicted. There are a lot of people addicted to "legal" drugs.
It would not solve all of Mexico's problems, but it sure could help.
Diane
[Edited on 11-24-2008 by jdtrotter]
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
coonhound AKA several other names, must be very good with computers. Notice that under the name, instead of Newbie, Nomad, etc., it says "banned".
IMHO, nothing will stop the drug lords and the violence except the legalizing of the current illegal drugs in the US. Many of the illegal drugs in
the US have not been illegal for that many years in terms of history. It would take the mega money out of the drug trade.
OK, before the flames come, let me just add that I lost a brother many years to because of his heroin addiction, ---nasty business, but legal or
illegal, I believe he would have been addicted. There are a lot of people addicted to "legal" drugs.
It would not solve all of Mexico's problems, but it sure could help.
Diane
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I too have lost close friends/loved ones to drugs Diane (legal and illegal) and I agree that legalization will probably save more lives in the long
run than we lose now. There is no perfect solution in this - only the most pragmatic one...
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Well, set aside the legalization argument because that will take a long time to settle, but the one issue that has an immediate impact is when a local
neighborhood takes some responsibility for the goings on in their small area of influence. We have seen this happen in the tenements in the large
cities where the local people finally said enough and they refused to let their area be a drug zone. They got together a citizen comittee and
discussed where suspected people were hanging out and operating. One of the problems that was addressed in the beginging of this thread was when does
Mexico take back its country. If the army were getting very accurate descriptions of illegal activities that they could infiltrate or "investigate
with force" they would be able to operate much more effectively. Two problems are inherent in this approach, first is the fear of reprisal (which is
pretty significant) and the second is the "forgiving culture" where we know who has and is dealing small level drugs but they are family or friends
and it goes against the culture to say anything to anyone. Unfortunately, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and until there is a general uprising or
change, not a lot can happen by waiting for the government to take control.
In the small town where I live there was an area that was known as a place to buy and use drugs and some of the people who lived nearby were very
frustrated about what to do. Slowly, as the frustration increased a few people indicated that they would at least talk anonymously to the army
officers at the nearby base who had the major responsibility for trying to catch the users and sellers. I am sure that all we managed to do was to
move the operation to a less observable spot, but we did manage to clean up the area once it was known that it was being watched.
In another village that I spent a lot of time in, it was pretty common knowledge that certain members of the village were using and "sharing" but it
never came to a head because no one was concerned enough to change anythng so it received "tacit approval" and probably is still going on today.
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BajaGringo
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I agree Pescador and I have seen some communities do the same here near the border. The problem is that we need many, many more to join in that
effort. Word on the streets is that some of those who have been killed in the violence of late are those whose only "crime" was to finger some of
those in their neighborhoods.
That has served as an effective deterrent to others considering calling out others in many cases unfortunately...
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Hard drugs will never be legalized, I believe. Opinions depend upon the segment of society or age bracket you belong to. But I am certain that those
with kids under 18 who are still making their way through life will never support the legalization of hard drugs. I don't buy into the idea that a
potential drug addictor will find a way to drugs no matter what their availabiltiy. How often do you find drug addiction in amish or mormon social
groups? If education or religion can lessen the probability of becoming a drug user then so can it's absence.
It's tantalizing to solve your crime problems by redefining crime and no longer call it that. To bad we can't solve all out problems that way.
Mexico is going to solve it's crime problems the old fashioned way this time. Latin culture has always been one of exceptions. The currrent president
is right to crack down on drug dealers. It's the only way. Either you're a country of laws .... or you're not. It's just a matter of time before the
citizens of Mexico get fed up enough to stand up to this.
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