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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by jdtrotter
New highway could be good in many ways, but really hate to see the loss of historical sites. 
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You can make a difference, what if a pay web site is available to view pictures of mission sites and each time you visit you would be making a
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Only if the proceeds went to a save the ruins fund, and only if the donations were matched by the owner of the web site and their sponsors. Perhaps a
corporate sponsor could accept this challenge.
Something has to be done---it just isn't right.
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fdt
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It's true, something has to be done but who will lead the efforts and how soon can the site start beeing a pay site?
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David K
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A highway route can be altered to save something as important as a regions history... Heck, roads can't be built here if a 'rare' plant, bug or bird
are found in the route. Both Santo Tomas and San Vicente sites are aesily avoided by a few hundred feet movement of a route.
Frankly, I find it hard to believe that this new highway route ia already mapped out and secured with all landowners and enviromental concerns gave a
green light!? It is not done until it is done.
These are CALIFORNIA SPANISH missions on the CAMINO REAL... not just some old abandoned ruins, afterall. If they weren't so poorly cared for and
allowed to crumble, then I don't think we would have this discussion.
All we can do is make the locations well known and important... and that is what all of us at VivaBaja.com/BajaMissions have been doing. Keep up the
interest in the history of old California... which begins in BAJA!
[Edited on 12-29-2008 by David K]
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fdt
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Let me ask you this;
Is the VivaBaja.com/BajaMissions Group ready to talk to / confront the state of Baja California and make them see how easy it would be to change the
route a few yards?
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
A highway route can be altered to save something as important as a regions history... Heck, roads can't be built here if a 'rare'
plant, bug or bird are found in the route. Both Santo Tomas and San Vicente sites are aesily avoided by a few hundred feet movement of a route.
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here being the operative word! Here in this context is The Unites
States of Mexico, not the United States of America!!! The mission ruins aren't in Kansas, Toto. As fdt has repeatedly said, things
happen differently here!
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David K
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duh
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fdt
Let me ask you this;
Is the VivaBaja.com/BajaMissions Group ready to talk to / confront the state of Baja California and make them see how easy it would be to change the
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I would be happy to!
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Barry A.
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Earle Stanley Gardner did it, working with the authorities, and getting many things done in Baja. No reason other than committment, money, and
audacity that it could not be done today. But of course folks have to be "committed", and that is tough when you don't have the time and resources
that Gardner did.
Destroying "history" is very short signted, IMO, and damages further the tourist trade-----something that they really should not be doing, it seems to
me. Funny that they cannot see that (????)
Barry
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fdt
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9AM to 9PM is enough.
Inocentes palomitas que se dejaron engañar"
Today is Dia de los Inocentes.
583 views and again I remind you December 28th, Dia de los inocentes 
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=21697#pid2060...
http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=28919#pid2868...
[Edited on 12-29-2008 by fdt]
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BAJACAT
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@#$%$@## Ferna you had me going
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Jack Swords
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Way to go fdt! You did it again! Just like last year you got lots of action. Can't wait 'til next year.
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And a Baja Aprils Fools to you, too, fdt. You nailed it. Bravo!
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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'Ol Fdt....
i thought he sounded a little grumpy!!! should have known....
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zzzzzzZZZZZZZ HOOK-UP!!
Nice one FDT.
(Baja Nomads are SO gullible!)
subvert the dominant paradigm
"If you travel with a man, you must either fall out with him or make him your good friend."
JBL Noel
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David K
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Good job Fernando!
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Today is Dia de los Inocentes. |
"Dirty pool" amigo.
Just because it may be of interest on the preservation topic:
http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2000/may/11/battle-bodega...
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OOOOH Pretty tricky, Flowers. Got me too.
Does essence predate existence?
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arbee
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Good job getting everyone worked up. I hope that you continue to do this every year, as I'll probably forget the date and get sucked in again.
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and I was about to volunteer chaining myself to the ruins
to prevent the bulldozers from knocking them down
No se apure y dure.
Don\'t hurry and you\'ll last longer.
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fdt
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