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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Acuity
So I wonder what's the legal position with "accepting donations" (sometimes even "minimum donation of x") as seems to be done by many people and
groups in BCS? Any experiences of consequences? Just wondering, the practice appears to be prevalent. |
Here in Todos Santos the police actually set up road blocks on occasion and come to your window with a white can ....
when you drop something in the can they give you a slip of white paper with something printed on it ....
that is your hall pass for the rest of the day 
I haven't had the balls to see what happens if you do not put money in the can ...
This is in addition to the occasional shake downs ....
Some poor souls become regular targets , usually those without papers ....
[Edited on 3-16-2009 by CaboRon]
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shari
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thanks for that Bombero...when an official is bad, he doesnt get fired...he just gets relocated...very sad and can really make it uncomfortable for
the villages who end up with them....only recourse is to make LOTS of noise and complaints to higher ups...even the governor of the state.
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oldlady
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I have seen this done in La Paz, once, during the week before Christmas. The officer was practically falling all over himself trying to explain to me
that this was a purely voluntary thing. The guys who regularly and cheerfully pick up the trash (we receive no monthly trash bill as we did in
California)
come at Christmas time too, for propina. Maybe a different custom for many of us, but then our low taxes are a different custom too.
I guess it's all in how you look at it.
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Bomberro
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Just a quick update! I just finished talking to my Mexican neighbor and he emphatically says that the arroyos are Federal Property and the local Los
Barriles Police have no jurisdiction over them and can not make arrests there, period. He was born and raised here, also states drinking beer in a
arroyo is perfectly legal by Federal Rules. As a side note, the beer was donated to the Charity Group and of course the money was donated by the
players too. All of which just supports that, the "Bad Cops" were just looking for a bribe. Gnukid's statements in a prior thread is also supported as
this neighbor also said his wife had talked to the new Commandante and he seemed very nice! Watch out for the 'nice guys'!
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ELINVESTIG8R
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| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon Do these criminals take any kind of oath when they join the police department ????
I would love for someone to post it  |
As reported by Agencia Fronteriza de Noticias on March 15, 2009.
Tijuana BC 15 de marzo de 2009(AFN).- Hoy concluyen 109 agentes municipales un curso de certificación a nivel internacional, que los capacita como
parte de las fuerzas policíacas de Tijuana. El curso impartido por instrucciones del Presidente Municipal Jorge Ramos Hernández, pretende
profesionalizar a la corporación en técnicas de manejo de armas, traslado de detenidos y atención ciudadana, dijeron autoridades municipales Los
cursos de estándares internacionales SUBSEMUN y CALEA, aplicados cada 15 días a un grupo de 100 agentes policíacos, son algunos de varios que se
instrumentarán de manera paulatina, con la finalidad de mantener actualizados los conocimientos que a nivel mundial se aplican en las corporaciones
policíacas.
El Secretario de Seguridad Pública Municipal Teniente Coronel D.E.M. Julián Leyzaola Pérez encabezó el acto protocolario de clausura de este grupo.
Here is the picture: As you can see Coronel D.E.M. Julián Leyzaola Pérez is reading the oath of office from a piece of paper. The new officers are
raising their hand and taking that oath. The picture is located at: http://afntijuana.info/blog/?p=4383.
If you save the picture from the above site you can zoom in and just make out the words they swear too in the oath.
[Edited on 3-16-2009 by ELINVESTI8]
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LB
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What is the authority of "Policia Preventive"? They have popped up
all over LB. Are they county, state or Fed?
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ELINVESTI8
| Quote: | Originally posted by CaboRon Do these criminals take any kind of oath when they join the police department ????
I would love for someone to post it |
HEIL WHO ?
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longlegsinlapaz
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| Quote: | Originally posted by LB
What is the authority of "Policia Preventive"? They have popped up
all over LB. Are they county, state or Fed? |
Please check your U2U's.
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shari
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perhaps an article or notice on the Pony Express would be fitting...maybe even a meeting about it to organize or brainstorm some ideas about
addressing and hopefully alleviating the "problem".
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oldjack
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Shari....
good idea.... but... I wrote a paragraph to the Baja Pony Express... and it was not posted... instead I was informed that site is not for such
discussions and it would best be addressed on other websites such as bajanomad... Los Barriles is changing WAY TOO FAST and I long for the old days..
such as when I choose to be there beginning 10-12 years ago...
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shari
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oh my word! I have been checking on the "Express" for any mention of the incident...did notice there may be a meeting to discuss permits required for
events perhaps even invite the Poli "preventivas". This would have to be well planned but think it is a very good idea. I'm sorry the PE isnt more
helpful..this is a very important community issue that affects everyone and I would think a consolidated effort might be helpful here.
This can happen in ANY Baja community and certainly is of interest to nomads how to deal with it...so much Baja...so much to learn!
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LB
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There is a group of Mexicans and Gringos going together to the Mayors office in Los Barriles..
It is just not Gringos getting harassed. Having the Mexican's involved instead
of just gringos is a great step. Anyone in LB who wants to submit a complaint
should present it to the Mayor.
Liquor permit procedure is in the works for future events!
Thank you all for your input
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shari
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that is great news...glad to see some action on this issue...thanks for reporting it.
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As part of a Rosa Delia purge of forces, some pretty unpleasant fellows have left La Paz for nearby regions. Its been a flogging in LB since, they are
out everyday working tricks.
The upshot is now we leave our cars unlocked in La Paz and its so quiet and peaceful. When we look around practically all the bad guys are gone, in
jail or relocated, in this case unfortunately to LB.
This is pretty severe situation for LB which will likely become much worse over the warm months when these problems increase.
For those that do engage the boys, do not give in, do not pay and do not panic. They might threaten you or put you in jail but its a bluff, you'll be
out in no time, as will your 10 year kid they're holding and your mom.
Practice saying the words NO ME MOLESTES, YA!
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LB
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The cell hazs no working toilet, no water and no food!! Hope they get
our before they have to pee!
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Trex
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To whom it may concern (Mayor & Business Owners in LB),
I was planning a two week vacation in June for a group of 8 (family and friends) in Los Barriles. We always stay in hotels, eat in restaurants and
charter pangas. After reading what is going on in Los Barriles regarding the police, I am going to pass. As a respectful and law abidding person, I
do not need the headache of being harassed. My group and I will be spending our money and relaxing in Loreto instead.
[Edited on 3-19-2009 by Trex]
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gnukid
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I remember when Martine Vedugo put my friend in Jail for stealing a shower while not being registered in the campground. He paid up and was released.
Valdadero, Jaun Luis and Cecil I think are these guys names-or similar. I recognized them with a sense of shock since they are the same guys that ran
extortions in La Paz a while back as I have reported to you. They have no shame and likely are unable to stop the rip offs since they are used to the
income and once you live a certain lifestyle its hard to change. They are also masters of acting all nice and sweet and playing the game like they are
CSI crimestoppers. haha Help!
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LB
Trex,
Sorry to hear that you are not coming down to Los Barriles. Most of the people in Los Barriles/Buena Vista are Great neighbors & friends. Do not
think that this happens everyday or to everyone. More good that bad happens here !
The winter winds are slowing down & spring is here. The Sun is warm, the water is flat & fishing is picking up !
akbear
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I have been shaken down a few times in San Jose and in Cabo San Lucas. One time I was sort of wrong by having dealer plates....as soon as I explained
what they were he let me go. But I did let him know right away there would be no mordita....either he let me go or we go to the station and I take
care of things there. The other notable time was in San Lucas and we were in a place we shouldn't have been at a time of night we should have been
asleep! We were walking around looking for our car....when the officer told us up against the wall and spread em....I refused and let him know that
this was only going down one of two ways either he let us go or we were going to the station and would wait till out lawer got there. He told me I
needed to show respect to Federal Officers....I told him I will respect you as a Federal Officer when you act like a Federal Officer! That is when
the old (senior guy) got out of the truck and asked where we lived and who our lawer was. I told him where our house was and the name Francisco
Hernadez....(he is kind of a lawer, but I figured there must be opne by that name) and he told us okay go ahead....
Then we asked if he could drive us around and help us find our car? We all laughed and he said no! We have had many laughs about that night....
I guess it could have gone bad but we had some liquid courage to help us through! Plus my spanish is way better when i'm drinking!
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LB cops are a joke
After many years in LB, I have become a master at avoiding the shakedowns - because the LB cops come RIGHT TO YOUR HOUSE and HONK until you come out
and give them money. They do this 3-4 times every December and tell you they are "raising money for the children" it is such a joke - Sometimes I see
them coming and I hide inside until they give up. If they catch us in the yard, I go inside and gather up as much change as I can find and hand it
over. The new top guy in LB is working it big time - he even has a gringo as his mouthpiece, trying to organize all the folks to hand over "gas
money" so the police can drive 5 minutes out of town and "check on" our houses. Sometimes, the cops block the entrance to LB and shake you down right
there in front of the barrels. *sigh*
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