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Bob H
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| Quote: | Originally posted by comitan
Well Legs as usual well said and very enlightening because I have heard from other sources confirming what you have said about BajaDogs.
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I totally concur.... great post legs!
Bob H
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BajaDove
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Have a friend that ends up with kittens. they find her doorstep, because she neuters, collars, feeds and leaves them in the window with a sign that
says ?$. I don't remember how much. couple of pesos. She says she sell them because people take care of what they pay for.
If its not where it is, its where it isn\'t.
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David K
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This is a Nomad classified ads board... If you don't want to buy a puppy, why did you open this thread? The person ('oatc') is offering to sell
something... You are acting like that's illegal or immoral!??
[Edited on 4-20-2009 by David K]
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
unmoral!?? |
 
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David K
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
| Quote: | Originally posted by David K
unmoral!?? |
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Yah, you're right about that one... it didn't even sound right!
IMMORAL (and I edited it above. Now, how a comment about the whole thing and not just the word?)
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dtbushpilot
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Guess I should have offered my kittens "for sale" on my post. I'll edit it....dt
"Life is tough".....It's even tougher if you're stupid.....
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oatc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by vandenberg
I hereby offer my apology. Had no idea and was jumping to conclusions. Thanks for setting me straight Carol. |
Gracias Vandenberg, I appreciate your apology.
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DianaT
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| Quote: | Originally posted by dtbushpilot
Guess I should have offered my kittens "for sale" on my post. I'll edit it....dt |
I doubt it would help. Unfortunately, very unfortunately, there are so many homeless kittens and puppies in Baja, and also in the US that only the
most fortunate are adopted into a loving home. 
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oatc
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I am sorry the way this post end. The only thing I was looking for, was to find a good home for my puppies, and thanks God most of them, they already
have a good home.
I want to thank comitan, losaripes and longlegs for the support they give me.
And I want to thank two wonderfull vets: Marisol Arellano and Armando Romero, who most of the time they only charge me medicament. One month ago I
have a problem with a female dog, she was very sick and she need a surgerie: the cost was $2,000 pesos, they only charge me $500 pesos.
And the are other persons the sometimes came to my house with dog food, thanks to. This world is full of good people, I really belive that.
About Baja Dogs I am no ready to talk, and I don't if I will ready one day, because they are street dogs involve and I don't care if is one or 40. The
only thing I can say they don't do, what they say they do. They go to local television programs, to ask for help... gime me, give me, but when they
ask for the address, they don't give the address.
What is really the commitment with street dogs in need?
And if some one replys about this post, I don't if I will answer. Was really hard for me to decide if I was going to reply, but I think losaripes and
longlegs deserve this post for their support. Thanks
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longlegsinlapaz
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No problem! You were getting a lotta flack & a bum rap. I just felt you might be judged more fairly if people were provided some factual
information.
By the way, my door is locked to you until you post that you've found homes for ALL the puppies!
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luckyinlapaz
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I'm coming in late to this thread, but just a couple of quick comments. I empathize with Adriana and the accidental pregnancy. Good luck in all you
do.
Baja Dogs Website clearly states on its website that it cannot take any new dogs because it is full and short of funds: http://www.bajadogshelplineoflapaz.org/adoptions.php
There are currently over 50 dogs at the refuge, and have been for several months.
The land is owned byBaja Dogs La Paz. The refuge construction was personally funded by one of the Directors. The refuge costs many people a lot of
time and money, in all honesty.
The only people who get money through Baja Dogs la Paz are the vets, dog food vendors, banks and accountant, and two part-time employees who do a
wonderful job of caring for these sick, abused and abandoned dogs 7 days a week. Everything else it takes to run this refuge is done by volunteers,
from the Website and newsletters to adoptions, education, dog walking and training, and everything else. It takes an average of around $46 US per dog
per month in medicine, vet care, doog food, etc. We spay the dogs of breeding age we have or send out for adoptions. We send dogs to forever homes
in the US and Canada, at times paying for their trips. Rescue is costly, as anyone who has done this knows. Do we even put a dent in the street dog
population? Sometimes. Do we provide a safe have for the dogs at the refuge? Definitely. Not all are adoptable, but we continue to care for them.
Baja Dogs is overwhelmed with the number of dogs that people wish to bring to the refuge. And the $200 pesos requested as a donation does not even
cover the initial vet care for most dogs we get. Baja Dogs has land, but not enough pens nor people to adequately care for more dogs than are
currently housed there. Maybe La Paz would be better off without the refuge, but I seriously doubt it, considering the hundreds of dogs that have
been resuced and adopted to new homes. But notes like those from Longlegsinlapaz sure make me want to quite trying. I am one of the volunteers.
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longlegsinlapaz
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I'm sorry my original post 2 months ago upset/disappointed/frustrated/(supply your own choice of verbs here) you.
My post was honest & factual, based on my own personal knowledge & that of people here in the La Paz area whose word I trust & respect.
Please don't think that was an easy post for me to write. I was torn between keeping the knowledge I had to myself for the sake of how many ever dogs
might be helped, versus honestly documenting the reality of what started out to be a wonderful idea up front, but lost a lot of it's goodness in it's
execution. I stand by my words today just as much as I did when I made my original post.
For the record, that statement on the website is new. It's been added sometime during the intervening two months. Nonetheless, that does not change
the fact that BajaDogs has refused to accept animals....strays, injured, ill health, mothers with newborn puppies, etc. almost since their inception,
even when the prerequisite "donation" was offered.
I don't have a magical answer for how to turn BajaDogs into the utopia it wanted to be. If I did, I'd offer it up for the sake of the dogs.
I originally thought the concept was good, but I personally lost my enthusiasm once I heard of others' experiences & experienced it first-hand
myself. Maybe you missed the fact that other posters on this thread either had a less than satisfactory experience with the refuge, or knew of others
who had.
I don't fault you for wanting to help, getting involved & volunteering your time. That's your personal choice. If you feel the refuge is making
a positive contribution to dogs & the area, then listen to your own heart & stick to your own personal convictions. I sincerely applaud you
for caring!
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SiReNiTa
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wow...i am also late to this one but i can understand why she would want to sell the puppies because it is true that people care much muc more for
what costs them than what is given to them sadly...and i for one cant find anything wrong in wanting something back for what ever she put in to the
puppies...in ensenada i see lots of crosses being sold and most people in mexico prefer to buy a cheap dog because you know where it comes from and it
is less probable to have some kind of sickness...i just got lucky when i got my pepper (chihuahua with mini toy cross) i would have gladly paid for
him though...i think that on this board there are many people that judge people as soon as they post, without further explanations (sorry if not
spelled right) they jump to conclusions without knowing anything but what the person wrote and not knowing if they had particular reasons to write
it...just try to understand people a little more because someday someone will judge you in a way that hurts and you will not feel to good believe me!
good job oatc on trying to find good homes for the puppies!!!
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
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backninedan
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SiReNiTa,
I couldnt disagree more. What makes you think a free dog is less valued than one you pick out at the puppy mill?? I guess that aka paper makes
them better and more lovable.
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SiReNiTa
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no backinden you misunderstood i'm sorry if i gave that impression! its not that free dogs are less valuable than others (probably the other way
around, street dogs and crosses i know for a fact usually are the most loyal friendly and awsome companions because they have sufferd so much and love
you to pieces if you save them from what would have been a very lonely life and usually cross breed dogs have more resistance do sickness than pure
breds for some reason or another. dont get me wrong i love all dogs and every single one of them out there deserves a good loving home but what i was
trying to say is that alot of people here in mexico think it is safer to get a dog that has been bread or something...i'm not sure if i am expressing
my self correctly, also from what i have seen unfortunantly in alot of familys is that they like to show of their pets if they buy them for some
reason un known to me sadly i have seen it happen...
about the paper...it does not make one dog different or better than another you can get papers for free cross breeds by taking them to the vet and
getting their shots
I'm sorry if i mislead the meaning to my post i hope this clarifies it...
Live life as well as you can,
don\'t regret the things that once made you smile,
learn from your mistakes,
and thank God for every second he gives you upon this earth.
Visit me at
Http://BajaScents.Scentsy.com.mx
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longlegsinlapaz
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If I may....
Frequently people place a higher value on something they had to pay hard-earned money for than something they get for free.
Not saying that I agree with that philosophy, simply trying to encapsulate Sirenita's thought into a briefer form! All my pets are rescued animals & they're great!
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oatc
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I think bajadogs need to check they numbers, $46 dollars a month for dog is to much. Right now I have 30 dogs, 7 cats and one pigeon ( I found him or
her in the desert with one broken wing ) And I am no, even close to be a rich person, and I think if I found one person, that can give $300 dollars a
month, with that money I can take care for all the animals I have. I will be honest, because I know in one day I can expend all that money in one dog,
and not save the dog life, but is not all the time that way.
And I have ideas if some person want to help the street dogs, if where you live are dogs that are friendly, you can take them to the vet for spay and
neuter, here in La Paz is a program with Centro de Salud, they give you a tiket and you take that to the vet and they only charge $200 pesos, works
with cats to, sometimes is free.
I honestly believe that even hundred refugios will no end with the problem of street dog, teach the people to respect animals and spay and neuter is
the only solution.
And I sincere believe, that are a lot of people in this world they want to help animals, and we need to respect they ways, even if we don't agree.
Love animals and do what can you do for them to have a happy life.
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