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Bajahowodd
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For me, open borders for folks with passports, with the focus being shifted to employers who hire illegal workers. Criminals, of any nationality
should be a police issue.
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Mexicorn
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HOT OFF THE PRESS-
Right now President "Harry O" of the Footprinters organization in Rosarito Beach is involved in negotiations with Mayor Hugo Torres, using Mr. Raposa
as an intermiedary of course and the government of Mexico in a bold new endevor.
The card will be issued by the Footprinters and those that dont have one will not be allowed into his club house or Mexico for that matter. The card
only costs $30.00 and allows you access into his private club house where you can drink his drinks and listen to the misic of "Julio Acosta."
All others will be ejected from Mexico and not allowed to clean the Rosarito PD bathrooms anymore.
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Taco de Baja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
OK, all you guys that feel picked on. What rules should be applied...
that would be applied to all countries equally? |
1) If you are a tourist, get a passport
2) If you want to temporarily work/live in a foreign country, get a visa.
3) If you want to become a citizen in a new country, apply…And set it up like Australia: no job, no other income, no citizenship…If there are too may
applicants, tough luck, there are probably 2.5 Billion+/- people worldwide who would like to have US citizenship; there's just no way to absorb, or
even process that many people.
Truth generally lies in the coordination of antagonistic opinions
-Herbert Spencer
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rts551
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Andthe process for the tourist passport would be the same in all countries?
OK I agree
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toneart
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Too early to speculate
as to how it will be implemented, but you can probably count on it defying logic.
My take on the reasons:
1. Revenue- They have learned how to be bureaucrats from us. They have learned all about taxes, zoning laws, building permits, etc. etc. They have
mastered the Art of red tape! Again, the implementation is not necessarily the objective. For example, permits are seriously required;
inspections and standards are a joke. But anytime they (or we) can officially shake down people, there is lots of money in it. In the case of Mexico
there is often some clandestine, bonus revenue to compensate for low pay, which is unofficially condoned from the top to the bottom.
2. Payback- Why shouldn't they turn our immigration policies back around on us? Maybe they should build a fence.  There are attitudes, resentment and sensitivities involved that until now
has been pretty one sided but has been building up.
3. Job Protection and control- There are lots of gringos living and working illegally in Mexico.
4. National Security- They also need to know just who is entering. They have enough criminals of their own without absorbing our fugitives.
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Hook
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Taco de Baja
Passport charge $100 good for TEN years and is renewable
Mexico Tourist Card $100 for 180 days, can’t be renewed.....
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The current Mexico Tourist Card is about 23.00US.
An FM-3, which will cost about 120.00 is good for one year. It is renewable.
What is the US charging for foreigners to stay 6 months in the US? I honestly dont know.
[Edited on 12-14-2009 by Hook]
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Bajahowodd
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We, the good guys, charge a non-refundable application fee of $131. Now, does give or take twenty bucks sound more reasonable?
And if rts551's last post was in response to mine, passports are issued by the country of origin. Just saying that if that country is ok with who you
are, then we should be also. Sorry, but the last administration in DC took total advantage of the post 9-11 anxiety in this country and while so many
things they did were targeted at making huge amounts of money for their friends, they also initiated what has become an ever increasing difficulty for
Americans and Mexicans to connect.
Have any idea as to how onerous a $131 fee is when if they say no, too bad? If I show up at the San Ysidro/ Tijuana border and seek an FM-T, if for
some reason the guy says no, I don't lose a dime.
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k-rico
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Just turned my papers in for FM-3 renewal today and since it's my 5th and final year I asked for information and instructions for applying for a FM-2.
The gal said come back next month because "everything is changing" and they'll then have the new rules.
Sorta fits with the rumors that are flying around.
BTW, the FM-3 renewal fee was 1,296 pesos - hundred bucks.
[Edited on 12-15-2009 by k-rico]
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rts551
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My post was directed at those people who want free and easy access to Mexico (and other countries) but do not reciprocate. $$ are not the only issue
for Mexican nationals to get a "Tourist Permit" for the US. They, at a minimum must make an appointment at the immigration office after they have
filled out the paper work and then go for an interview. Based on the interview and the appropriate paperwork (including proof of employment etc) they
may then get a visitation visa. Then again they may not. Whole process takes multple trips the immigration folks and many times months.
Someone like FDT can fill in the blanks, but would you like to be on the other side of the fence so to speak.
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rts551
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We are in our last year of the FM2. wonder if that changes as well
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
BTW, the FM-3 renewal fee was 1,296 pesos - hundred bucks.
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FM2 is more. With an agent, I just renewed for $395. I have to stand while I type. It still hurts.
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Dave
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Wow!!!
| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
I just renewed for $395. I have to stand while I type. It still hurts. |
That's almost 2 1/2 times retail.
Would I know him? One of my tribe, perhaps? 
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Bajahowodd
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Again, if the EU can get this right, why can't we and our North American neighbors? Just seems to me with ongoing globalization, the whole concept of
making it more difficult and expensive to travel is mierda de caballo.
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rts551
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
BTW, the FM-3 renewal fee was 1,296 pesos - hundred bucks.
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FM2 is more. With an agent, I just renewed for $395. I have to stand while I type. It still hurts. |
Yes but after five years you can sit again ...If they don't change the
rules
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by rts551
Yes but after five years you can sit again ...If they don't change the
rules |
Actually, three years. That 395 was for a renewell. I think it was 500 to get started. OUCH again.
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
as to how it will be implemented, but you can probably count on it defying logic.
Payback- Why shouldn't they turn our immigration policies back around on us? Maybe they should build a fence. There are attitudes, resentment and sensitivities involved that until now
has been pretty one sided but has been building up.
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Sounds fine to me 
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akshadow
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Americans who come to Baja and work without a permit should get deported. Just like people who come to the US and do the same thing.
why should we expect to break or ignore their laws and not expect something to happen. If the the laws/regulations can just be ignored we should
expect to pay mordida for the privilage.
I would rather have real laws and regulations and expect consistent enforcement.
Ron San Felipe Oct, Nov. Feb. Mar. April. remainder in Juneau Ak
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rts551
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and should it be just as difficult to get a tourist permit?
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norte
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why should it be the same? We need to protect ourselves and keep terrorists from crossing the border. Mexico just wants more of our money by
imposing ridiculous travel requirements on us . Don't they realize that without our dollars they probably wouldn't be what they are today.
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David K
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In the real world, to get more business (more $$$) you make it as easy as possible for your customers to get to your door.
Mexico (Mexicans) really have a lot more to gain from U.S. tourism than the other way around... Because millions of Mexicans have entered the U.S. and
never went home, we are naturally a bit more concerned. Americans go to Mexico, spend money and go home... a tiny fraction of 1% may stay behind after
their 180 days expires... to continue to enjoy the place, but it is doubtful they are there to have an anchor baby or free medical care.
So, it doesn't matter what other countries charge for visas or the bureaucracy involved... If the government of Mexico wants its citizens to have as
much tourism dollars as possible (given all the other issues going to Mexico involves), they need to make a trip to Mexico easier and more
enjoyable... less red tape, less fees and taxes.
LESS MONEY TO GOVERNMENT, MEANS MORE MONEY TO THE PEOPLE...
Then the government gets more from the increase in business and services from taxes paid by people who prosper.... More business means more jobs, and
the growth is unstoppable ... Well, until government gets greedy and raises taxes, fees, etc.
Too bad some in government didn't study Economics 101, instead of Karl Marx!
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