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tfinbaja
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
What I find Offensive is the Attitude of some of the Posters who think :Just because I have Tourist Dollars"" I am to be treated differently.
What is being discussed here has been happening for many years in Mexico. If you think you can stop it you are misled.
There has been many changes in the past couple of years due to many things occurring that make people do Bad things. I think some of the problem in
Constitution is a result of the current happenings even up here in the States as well as the Muders and Violance in the Border Cities.
I doubt very seriously if anything will come of your efforts.
Advice: Start Flying. |
Skeet,
I read through the posts and no one said or implied they should be be treated differently -- they just didn't want to be harassed by police and
coerced into violating Mexican law by paying bribes.
Saying that's the way things are doesn't make it right and is no reason to not try to change things. Think about US history the last 50 years (civil
rights etc).
And saying "start flying" is silly. A lot of folks who actually live in Baja drive through CC to visit other towns, go whale watching, camping,
fishing, surfing or move their belongings from the USA -- flying is impossible and illogical.
Obviously you have strong feelings for the people of CC and feel compelled to defend them, even though no one here has said anything negative about
the people, just the police corruption.
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wessongroup
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
Thank all of you for your reports; Those Posts are well taken.
What I find Offensive is the Attitude of some of the Posters who think :Just because I have Tourist Dollars"" I am to be treated differently.
What is being discussed here has been happening for many years in Mexico. If you think you can stop it you are misled.
There has been many changes in the past couple of years due to many things occurring that make people do Bad things. I think some of the problem in
Constitution is a result of the current happenings even up here in the States as well as the Muders and Violance in the Border Cities.
I know that everytime I had anything to do with Constitution and its People I was treated very Well.
I have been in Touch with my friends in Constitution and made them aware of everyones Concerns/ The Town as a Whole is biased aganist Tourists.
I doubt very seriously if anything will come of your efforts.
I think that the Good I have received out weights any of the Bad that is being talked about.
Advice: Start Flying. |
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Skeet/Loreto
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tfinbaja:
What "Right" do you have to try and Change things in Baja???
You are a "Guest".
Wake Up!
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skeet/Loreto
tfinbaja:
What "Right" do you have to try and Change things in Baja???
You are a "Guest".
Wake Up! |
Everybody has a right to stand up to injustice. It's not an obligation for a guest to stay silent while being brutalized.
I can't believe you really believe what you're saying, Skeet.
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Skeet/Loreto
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To all concerned:
I will make every effort with my Friends to see that the "unrelated Tickets for speeding" goes to the judge and he makes the Decesion.
I ask the Speeders to slow down and observe the Speed Laws even at 18 miles per Hour..
Always ask for the Judge if you think you are correct.
Advice:
Learn Spanish
Talk to the people
Learn their ways and habits
Realize that you are in another Country
Do not try to change every thing to your ideas of what is Right and Wrong
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DENNIS
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G'nite, Skeet.
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tfinbaja
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Skeet,
Actually I do have the right to speak and act against corruption and everyone else does too.
And I also have the right, in fact the obligation, to follow the laws of Mexico and not pay bribes.
Saying I'm trying to "change" Baja is a straw man argument. I just want to reduce this harassment of innocent people driving through a city through
trumped up or phony charges.
On the other hand, what right do you have to encourage criminal activity in Baja? The president of Mexico has spoken out specifically against police
corruption. Laugh all you want about it but it's a serious crime in Mexico for the police to solicit bribes and for people to pay them.
Maybe you've lived here so long, you are seeing changes (more gringos, construction etc) and that pains you. I can understand that. But I'm still not
going to pay bribes.
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BajaBlanca
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start flying ????? what kind of solution is that ? how absurd...si se puede - things can and should be changed. bribes are TERRIBLE. and they are
hurting CC. and they must be stopped. 
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Bajamatic
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Close, Skeet. It SHOULD read:
Advice:
Learn the Law
Respect other people
Learn their perspectives
Realize that your opinion is not fact
Do not try to skew everything to suit your own narrow minded ideologies
yuletide
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comitan
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Sorry Skeet in Mexico you can ask to see the judge, but you will never see him, if you hire an Abogado he will represent you but you cannot represent
yourself in front of a Judge.
Strive For The Ideal, But Deal With What\'s Real.
Every day is a new day, better than the day before.(from some song)
Lord, Keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.
“The sincere pursuit of truth requires you to entertain the possibility that everything you believe to be true may in fact be false”
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DENNIS
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I think sombody's Jack Daniels alarm went off.
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DavidE
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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What A Farce (and I don't say that very often)
Señor you have commited an anfraccion
Como?
Manejar recio (driving hard)
I was driving at a velocity of 20 km (12 mph)
This infraccion is serious
Yawn
Pay one hundred dollars here
No, I want You to pay one hundred dollars to ME.
Quieres ir a el bote (want to go to jail)
Vamanos Entonces. Andele (Well, let's go, quickly)
Where is your license. I demand to see it and your pasaporte.
No.
MANDE! You have to give me those things! NOW!
No, vamanos a la commandancia ahorita mismo (No, let's go to the police station, instantly).
No! You will give me a hundred dollars.
No! Quiero pasa un rato con su commandante (No, I want to pass a little time with the commander).
He is not there. The station is closed.
Then I cannot go to jail, but I am retired. Please recommend to me a good hotel. I like this city (lie). I can easily spend a week here.
The commandante is on vacacciones
That's OK I can speak with the alcalde (Mayor).
Forty dollars, now.
No! This is the way it is. You give me escort out of town, now. If you do not I will stay here a month and discuss this little problem you and I have
with everyone. But I am going to make sure that the commandante and the alcalde are present when I talk with the juez. Entiendes hombre?
He escorted me ten feet, flipped on the roof lights and disappeared down a side street.
I found out where the commandancia was and proceeded to have a little chat with el commandante. He was not enthused when I told him the officer (I had
name, serieal number and car license) demanded FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS from me.
To deal in this system you have to be machiavellian. To the end of time the commandante is going to believe that that cop was/is screwing him out of
"his" part of the take. Until the end of time the commandante will remain convinced that I am one of the very last people on the face of the earth he
would wish to see again.
I've done this in San Lucas, Lazaro Card##as, Acapulco, Monclova, and Ocozocuauhtla among other places.
I shall continue to be an "Idoit" I would tend to believe.
Entonces, El Skeet tu no sabe nada de papa por las cosas ni costumbres mexicanos. Que lastima y se puede encuentra ayuda tu! Vaya!
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chnlisle
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It seems to me your best course of action is to put a full court press on the US Consulate in Tijuana to issue a Warden Message on Ciudad
Constitucion. Any warden message would go directly to the Interior Ministry and the Foreign Ministry and they would have to react.
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ELINVESTIG8R
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So Mote it Be Brother Skeet!
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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Hey Skeet...Do you have any photos of that waitress with the humongous hooters? This is really important.  |
Hooters! You should get a look at one of the gals at the Cambio in SY.
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fishabductor
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maybe we can all get big sets of strap-on hooters and then no one will notice anything exept the hooters. The cops would be too busy checking out the
BOOBS to bother with Morditas/extortion. However you may become a rape victim.
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lesd
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Avoid main road ?
Looking at google sat maps and images, I see that the town is actually fairly big by Baja standards, lots of streets, dirt or other, in a grid like
pattern. So couldn't I just veer off to side streets and remain several streets away from the main drag, and avoid these bozos ? Having a GPS with a
good map makes me lost proof and I would know when to start getting back on the main road, at the very  end of town.
Would that work ?
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Marc
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| Quote: | Originally posted by fishabductor
maybe we can all get big sets of strap-on hooters and then no one will notice anything exept the hooters. The cops would be too busy checking out the
BOOBS to bother with Morditas/extortion. However you may become a rape victim. |
Maybe we can just end this now on the light side
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Bajatripper
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| Quote: | I think that the Good I have received out weights any of the Bad that is being talked about.
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That pretty much sums up what I thought was going on with you, Skeet. you are obviously blind to the greater reality that exists for the rest of us in
this situation and no amount of reasoned thought will change that. No point in further discussions (for me, at least).
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
That pretty much sums up what I thought was going on with you, Skeet. |
I think Skeet is resting.
He had an exausting day yesterday, saving souls and giving guidance.
He'll be back after a short nap....two or three months.
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