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cabobaja
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No David.....but I am your neighbor in Oceanside.
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Oh dear. What will become of the Pacifico Ballena? |
Geoff, you have my 100% attention, as P.B.s are my standard house stock. I'm frightened about the future.
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movinguy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
just a wee highjack here seeing as Blanca brought up spelling...the lady who registered babies told us that one can no longer use double LL's or RR's
in a name anymore...they are changing them to single and changing the L's to a Y so it would now be yantera to change a tire?...weird eh!
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Weird indeed - especially since many people pronounce both the "ll" and the "y" closer to a "j" . . .
Por ejemplo, when my wife tells the kids "Enough!", it's "Ja!", not "Ya!" 
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by movinguy
Weird indeed - especially since many people pronounce both the "ll" and the "y" closer to a "j" . . .
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Argentinians, for one, do that. There's a pro golfer from Argentina named Villegas. His name is pronounced on air as Vijegas.
I think Lencho has info on this.
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krafty
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So bolillo and relleno are no more?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Eric Blair, the author touched on these issues in his important work '1984", in contrast to Julian Huxley's work, "Brave New World" in regard to
governments rewriting language and history as mind control of society.
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You must mean George Orwell with his idea of "Newspeak."
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Si claro Dennis, George Orwell was a pen name for Eric Blair, an intelligence officer for Great Britain who was trained and prescient in social
engineering. His written works are both a worst case scenario and a map. One of the themes of his term Newspeak is that if people do not have the
words to use they won't be able to describe the truth, or if language is so corrupted people will be unable to foment complex ideas about what is
means to be human, what it means to have local control and customs.
You see examples of Newspeak in modern media daily, especially from politicians, for example, indefinite detention, peacekeeper missiles, clear and
hold, democracy building, freedom fighters, these terms are completely ambiguous and false and furthermore you see it in defining political positions
so that there is no actual position that defines you-that is simply a independent citizen instead they pigeon-hole you with terms that don't fit,
like, moderate liberal, ultra conservative which each carry negative connotations, etc...
In terms of this statement, 'there is no more ll or rr in the spanish language', the sheer notion of someone telling you there are no longer letters
to describe what you are accustomed to describing within your language and culture is such an absurd notion, so objectionable and absolutely of no
logical purpose other than to reduce the unique qualities of the people, their culture and language, it is absolute afront, an attack on the latin
american society.
Finally, for those who ask for further evidence, or those who say prove to me that this is bad and prove to me who is forcing this, quite the
opposite, you must choose yourself to be interested and do research or not, you can choose to prove to yourself what is important to you and no one
else can convince you, and you must decide who is pushing these issues on you, and do you accept commands from far-reaching social think-tanks in
Paris or New York, whether they have nice names like "webster's dictionary" or "UN". Are these sources superior to you?
If you do find out who is promoting a literal attack on spanish language perhaps tell them to take a hike, perhaps instead with Donkay and meet the
human beings of latin america and embrace their culture and language with respect.
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shari
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whoah...definate food for thought on a cloudy morning.
I am not one to be told what to say or how to say it...by anyone...It took me by complete surprise... the idea of these changes in the mexican
alphabet and I wondered how it really affects daily life/speech etc. and why it has changed....thanks for some insight Gnu.
so is it just names or will children be taught "new spellings"? I just cant imagine the implications of this huge change.
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by shari
whoah...definate food for thought on a cloudy morning.
I am not one to be told what to say or how to say it...by anyone...It took me by complete surprise... the idea of these changes in the mexican
alphabet and I wondered how it really affects daily life/speech etc. and why it has changed....thanks for some insight Gnu.
so is it just names or will children be taught "new spellings"? I just cant imagine the implications of this huge change. |
Shari,
After some thought, perhaps, there are two types of people, those who enjoy being told what to do and who gladly follow a path of globalists toward
mass enslavement, those who adopt a change and start using the homogenized version of the language who should be considered traitors to latin america.
And those who simply live their life as unique individuals with respect to local and national traditions.
For example, if you went to a store and there was a sign for ceboya, poyo, tomatiyo, would you feel happy that the store owner adopted the global
latin unification language or would you be offended that the store owner was contributing to destruction of the local culture and language? Do you
care?
If you continue to write cebolla, pollo, tomatillo are you considered a rebellious revolutionary? or are those who used corrupted universal latin
language important in a small pueblo like Bahia Asuncion?
What is the value of national and local customs versus a globally homogenized and centrally managed society?
A more relevant question for Nomads is how does this relate to the spellings on DK's old maps? Should he start rewriting his old maps? change the
names to isla jaques cousteau, bahia de los suenos, etc... why? cause someone told him to do it from new york city!
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shari
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about the store owner's signs, I wouldnt be happy or offended...i just think it's his right to use whatever spelling he wants. I see signs every day
that offer up a variety of spellings for simple words...which I love because I love diversity and personal uniqueness...i dont see spelling as right
or wrong...but a personal "style"...like writing styles, grammar etc.
I am not offended at all by unique spelling...i kinda like it...it keeps us on our toes...its fun to figure out what the words really are...like our
square and inverted triangle stop signs here...they are red and say Alto even though the shapes are known for other signs...but we all know what they
mean...keeps you thinking!
I love it when areas revert back to their original indigenous names which usually have way more meaning as they were named for physical
attributes...like Ojo de Liebre instead of Scammon's Lagoon!!!
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| Quote: | Originally posted by cabobaja
No David.....but I am your neighbor in Oceanside. |
So come on over for a cerveza or Baja chat...
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by gnukid
Si claro Dennis, George Orwell was a pen name for Eric Blair |
Who else but you would know this, Paul. 
| Quote: | | One of the themes of his term Newspeak is that if people do not have the words to use they won't be able to describe the truth, or if language is so
corrupted people will be unable to foment complex ideas about what is means to be human, what it means to have local control and customs.
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To define Newspeak even more, if a word doesn't exist, neither does the concept. If the word "peace" and all similar words were removed from the
vocabulary, peace would no longer exist as a thought.
Wasn't it Winston's job for the Ministry of Whatever, to purge the books of certain words, leaving inquiring minds a predesigned selection?
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cabobaja
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David K...seeU2U
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Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" have had the N-word removed and "Injun Joe" is now "Indian Joe". Brave New PC World!
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Oso
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And Lake Titicaca?
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Sam Clemens, meet Stephen Foster
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" have had the N-word removed and "Injun Joe" is now "Indian Joe". Brave New PC World!
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I'm actually more interested in determining just how this was done. Are Clemens' works in the public domain?
When you buy a copy where does the money go?
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Interestingly, few if anyone has asked why, pondered or defended the intentions of the proponents of changing the spanish language alphabet. Here are
a few conjectures.
1) It's required for modern computers?
2) There's just too many damn letters?
3) Too hard for gringos?
4) There is no good reason?
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Brian L
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It sounds like they want to change the way the alphabet is recited. There are still words with ch, ll, rr, etc. Just no need to put those two letter
combinations.
Instead of A-B-C-CH-D-E-F, etc, you split the second letter out. Seemed weird to me when learning spanish saying those. English alphabet doesn't
include some of the extra combos...
Is there a special spanish language keyboard, or do folks use the regular ole one like I use?
Brian
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shari
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they have different keyboards which really screws folks up in internet cafes...I think you are right that now they can just type two R's and L's
instead of it being a separate letter...I figured it might have something to do with standardizing computer keyboards too.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Dave
| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Mark Twain's "Huckleberry Finn" and "Tom Sawyer" have had the N-word removed and "Injun Joe" is now "Indian Joe". Brave New PC World!
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I'm actually more interested in determining just how this was done. Are Clemens' works in the public domain?
When you buy a copy where does the money go? |
It's been on NPR and some news channels. Some professor defends his rewrite, saying it's not to replace the original for everyone. It's just an
alternative for teachers to use for younger readers. He has substituted the word "slave". He didn't change anything else. It's created quite a stir
with many critics panning it and some, mostly teachers, agreeing with it.
http://www.examiner.com/mark-twain-in-national/huckleberry-f...
[Edited on 1-6-2011 by Oso]
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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