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DENNIS
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Maybe......ever been to Romania before the "revolution"? |
Sure. I'd HALO in for dinner with Nadia.
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sanquintinsince73
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I recall that in the past, for the most part, Americans were just waved-thru military checkpoints. Now that some Americans have been caught smuggling
more than just a roach, we face a bit more scrutiny.
Mexico City – Mexico's federal police arrested a pair of U.S. citizens after finding more than two tons of marijuana in their vehicle in the
northwestern state of Sinaloa, officials said.
The suspects were riding on the Mexico City-Nogales highway when they got into an accident between the town of Los Mochis and the border with the
neighboring state of Sonora.
The federal police requested the assistance of medical personnel and then discovered a secret compartment in the roof where 962 packets containing
more than two tons of marijuana had been stashed.
The driver of the white Ford motorhome was identified as 38-year-old Eric Michael Kubek while the other passenger was 46-year-old Rhonda Marie Glick.
Both identified themselves as U.S. citizens who live in San Diego, California.
After they received medical treatment, the two were taken into custody and the U.S. consulate in the Sonoran city of Hermosillo was notified of the
arrests.
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sanquintinsince73
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote: | Originally posted by bajaguy
Maybe......ever been to Romania before the "revolution"? |
Sure. I'd HALO in for dinner with Nadia. |
With knife, fork, and napkin a blazzin'?
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Pompano
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Yikes.. While possibly a good drug detection method, this type of inspection does little to promote tourism in Baja, and of course when potential
visitors read these network headlines ..on top of the drug wars, beheadings, and wholesale murders...they naturally decide to scrap their Baja/Mexico
plans in favor of countries with less violence and more law enforcement to protect them...the tourists.
To a person, every single one of the many folks we have visited with over coffee, c-cktails, or dinners in Europe, USA, and Canada in the last year
have questioned us about the terrible news they have heard about the dangers of Mexico...and why would we would even consider venturing there?
"Aren't you afraid to go to Mexico? What about all the murders?" is the standard question we are used to answering.
Over the years, I have tried to placate these fears as best I can for the area of Baja that I know, but the truth of today is...I find it increasingly
difficult to persuade someone to visit our beautiful part of the world...and possibly then find out that I have put them and thier family in harm's
way. Now I am more of a devil's advocater.. 
This news from Los Barriles does little to change things. Tourism is way, way down and that's a sad thing for Baja and it's residents.
I do what the voices in my tackle box tell me.
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
We should thank them for their diligence. |
Thank them, Rick? These methods are one step away from body cavity searches. We'll see how understanding you are when some uniformed Oaxacan has his
fingers up your butt.
In my opinion it's, as I said, harrasement and theatrics. They're fishing for reasons to turn predator, and/or they're making a misled effort to show
the travelling public that they are being diligent in their efforts to keep Baja safe.
Why, Rick, do you and others ignore the fact that the police and military are orchestrated by the cartels? Why do you never address that fact? Why
do you continue with your pollyanna attitude that the government authorities are out there soley for your benefit and protection?
You did the same thing with your Cd. Constitución effort, insisting that a more senior police officer, because he must be on a higher moral plateau,
would take your side and put a stop to all that nasty mordida.
Some people down here deserve exactly what they get for not pulling their heads out of fantasy land and seeing the structure for what it is. Corrupt
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And to think it was "God-Bless Ollie" bumper stickers all over Coronado just 25 years ago. Praise be, he was able to import over half of the cocaine
used in the U.S. for two years and never was busted.
Now, in Mexico Hillary say's we'll never stop it because there is too much money involved. The little bit's that are picked-up in searches and
disregard of constitutional rights are but a pin-prick of what's flowing through and money being laundered by U.S. Banks.
The harassment factor in the U.S. of illegal stops and the ridiculousness of TSA checkpoints are only to mollify an unsuspecting populace that
something is being done. It's BS. and WE are putting up with it mostly.
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Iflyfish
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"You have never seen a police state"
The USofA has the largest percentage if its population in jail than any other country in the world. Drug convictions account for a large percentage of
these imprisonments. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63
What you are seeing is simply enforcement of the War on Drugs. This is what it looks like carried to its logical conclusion. Those of you who support
the War on Drugs aught to welcome this sort of thing. Others have already posted instances of US Citizens involved in the illegal drug trade.
I guess its not till ones own ox gets gored that one complains.
Iflyfish
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David K
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Me thinks some of you should take a trip a place like Cuba or North Korea... then you will know what a 'police state' is! 
(of course, you will need to sneak away from your government spy to see what it is really like)
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Cisco
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Quote: | Originally posted by David K
Me thinks some of you should take a trip a place like Cuba or North Korea... then you will know what a 'police state' is! 
(of course, you will need to sneak away from your government spy to see what it is really like) |
David, MY government does not allow me to go to Cuba. Tried once.
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Sweetwater
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Quote: | Originally posted by Pompano
Yikes.. While possibly a good drug detection method, this type of inspection does little to promote tourism in Baja, and of course when potential
visitors read these network headlines ..on top of the drug wars, beheadings, and wholesale murders...they naturally decide to scrap their Baja/Mexico
plans in favor of countries with less violence and more law enforcement to protect them...the tourists.
To a person, every single one of the many folks we have visited with over coffee, c-cktails, or dinners in Europe, USA, and Canada in the last year
have questioned us about the terrible news they have heard about the dangers of Mexico...and why would we would even consider venturing there?
"Aren't you afraid to go to Mexico? What about all the murders?" is the standard question we are used to answering.
Over the years, I have tried to placate these fears as best I can for the area of Baja that I know, but the truth of today is...I find it increasingly
difficult to persuade someone to visit our beautiful part of the world...and possibly then find out that I have put them and thier family in harm's
way. Now I am more of a devil's advocater.. 
This news from Los Barriles does little to change things. Tourism is way, way down and that's a sad thing for Baja and it's residents.
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I'm a noob to Baja and your post rings true to me. I've spent around 5 weeks in Baja over the past year. All my time was associated with motorcycles
(Baja Mil) or on a motorcycle touring. Everyone I talk to here in the USofA thinks I was placing myself in a huge risk situation. I was very
comfortable with the people and for the most part, with the military and police. But I must admit that several checkpoints were very aggressive and at
least one was abusive. I'm planning to return again but watching these reports and locations closely. I would certainly not travel alone.
Everbody\'s preachin\' at me that we all wanna git to heaven, trouble is, nobody wants to die to git there.-BB King
Reality is what does not go away when you stop believing in it. -Philip K Dick
Nothing is worse than active ignorance. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe(1749-1832, German writer, artist and politician)
When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I\'ve never tried before. - Mae West
Experience is what keeps a man who makes the same mistake twice from admitting it the third time around.
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desertcpl
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well put Roger,
things like this will further sink tourism in Baja
maybe the intent was honorable for the deterrent to stop drugs and
guns.
The execution of this method of searching leaves alot to be desired.
the negative side fars out ways the positive in cases like this
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DENNIS
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Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
David, MY government does not allow me to go to Cuba. Tried once. |
They really don't care as long as you "sneak" over there.
Another example of how screwed up things are.
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Cisco
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Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
Quote: | Originally posted by Cisco
David, MY government does not allow me to go to Cuba. Tried once. |
They really don't care as long as you "sneak" over there.
Another example of how screwed up things are. |
That's for true. They wanted to impound my boat in Key West.
Check your U2U please Dennis.
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bajabass
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I for one, welcome the searches. Though never patted down, that is fine as well. I do not transport drugs, ammo, or weapons. Yeah, the whole "illegal
search and seizure" thing is a right some may miss down here. The people doing the transporting at the top of the list.
Search my truck, pat me down, anything that even attempts to keep the drugs off the streets is better than nothing! I always thank the kids at the
checkpoints for doing their job!! Not really much I can do about it anyway!
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Cisco
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Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
I for one, welcome the searches. Though never patted down, that is fine as well. I do not transport drugs, ammo, or weapons. Yeah, the whole "illegal
search and seizure" thing is a right some may miss down here. The people doing the transporting at the top of the list.
Search my truck, pat me down, anything that even attempts to keep the drugs off the streets is better than nothing! I always thank the kids at the
checkpoints for doing their job!! Not really much I can do about it anyway! |
Agree. My comments have been regarding the illegal stops and searches NOB.
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bajaguy
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Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
"You have never seen a police state"
The USofA has the largest percentage if its population in jail than any other country in the world. Drug convictions account for a large percentage of
these imprisonments. http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/63
What you are seeing is simply enforcement of the War on Drugs. This is what it looks like carried to its logical conclusion. Those of you who support
the War on Drugs aught to welcome this sort of thing. Others have already posted instances of US Citizens involved in the illegal drug trade.
I guess its not till ones own ox gets gored that one complains.
Iflyfish |
I love it!!!!!.......put more of those suckers in jail and let them rot........or be like some Muslim countries and cut off their hands.....or maybe
their heads........a little positive deterrent might go a long way...none of the mamby-pamby crap the US treats it's drug violators to.
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bajabass
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Honestly, more criminals get away in the states because of search and seizure rights! Let TSA, DHS, CBP, FBI, ATF go to town on searches. Only the
ones with something to hide need beware!!!
Keep your eyes on the road, and your hands upon the wheel!
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Cisco
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Quote: | Originally posted by bajabass
Honestly, more criminals get away in the states because of search and seizure rights! Let TSA, DHS, CBP, FBI, ATF go to town on searches. Only the
ones with something to hide need beware!!! |
I guess you have never had your vehicle torn apart and left at the side of the road for you to put back together while the CBP laugh and leave.
I have nothing to hide either, but my fear at these jack-booted "World's Policemen" attitudes and actions.
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shari
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I am not offended when they look in my purse and make guys empty their pockets and take their shoes off because it helps keep crystal meth out of our
villages here.
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We could have purchased Baja back in the mid-1800's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_Purchase
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DENNIS
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Quote: | Originally posted by shari
I am not offended when they look in my purse and make guys empty their pockets and take their shoes off because it helps keep crystal meth out of our
villages here. |
Would a dealer actually be so stupid to drive into a military or police check-point with a pocket or purse full of Meth?
Are the authorities now targeting the user rather than the maker and mover?
It's hard to imagine a load of dope being stuffed into someone's pocket.
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