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durrelllrobert
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
I keep getting legal mailings from COSTCO about their gas stations shorting people due to the higher temperature of the below ground storage tanks. A
class action lawsuit is working its way through the courts. Not just a Mexico problem. |
FROM:www.turndownhotfuel.com/myths.html
Hot Fuel Myths & Facts
MYTH: Fill up in the morning when it’s cooler.
FACT: 35,000-gallon tanks do not dramatically change temperature in daily cycles.
MYTH: In-ground tanks at gas stations keep fuel at 60 degrees Fahrenheit.
FACT: The insulated, fiberglass tanks tend to keep fuel at the temperature it was delivered… for a long time. Also, larger retailers turn over fuel
supplies very rapidly, greatly reducing the time the fuel spends in the tanks. Ask a station attendant for the automatic gauging meter report. It will
tell you the temperature of the fuel in the underground tanks.
MYTH: Temperature only causes tablespoons of difference in amount of fuel delivered.
FACT: A 25-gallon fill-up of 75 degree F gasoline equates to a loss of nearly one quart. The same fill-up at 90 degrees F equates to nearly a half
gallon.
MYTH: Fuel expands and contracts in a truck’s tanks, so there shouldn't be a problem, right?
FACT: The only point that fuel temperature expansion and contraction have an impact on the wallet is at the retail pump.
MYTH: Cold winter fuel offsets warm summer fuel, so it’s an even trade off over the long term.
FACT: Statistics show this is not the case. Consumer losses are ten times greater in warmer states than consumer gains in cool states.
MYTH: With temperature compensation, the consumer will rarely receive an actual gallon of fuel.
FACT: Consumers will receive equivalent BTUs per gallon with temperature compensation, and can shop by price.
MYTH: 90 percent of fuel retailers are small “mom and pop” operations.
FACT: Several large oil production companies and refiners own 25 percent of the stations that sell their brand fuel.
MYTH: The cost to retro-fit the pumps will far outweigh the benefit to the consumers.
FACT: It's a one-time cost of doing business, and retailers regularly replace pumps already.
MYTH: The cost of retro-fitting the pumps will raise the price of fuel for all consumers.
FACT: Consumers have suffered the burden of hot fuel sales for decades. Once the problem is fixed they will reap the benefits for future decades.
THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE IN CANADA
Bob Durrell
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EnsenadaDr
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you are right...
I am a doctor, but money is not what I deal in, but I should have performed a physical exam on the gas attendant as he clearly had some type of
problem figuring out a basic part of his job!! | Quote: | Originally posted by Bob and Susan
| Quote: | Originally posted by EnsenadaDr
Yesterday, I stopped for gas at an Oxxo/Pemex gasolinera, about 2 miles from Maneadero, and asked for $20 American in gas. The attendant pumped the
gas, and wiped the windshield. After he pumped the gas, I saw the amount on the readout on the pump, which said, 222.43. I asked him in Spanish,
"What is your exchange rate today??" He looked at me appearing confused and said, "What??" I repeated the question, and still he appeared befuddled.
I asked for the manager, whose name was Mario. I asked Mario the same question. He answered, "13.4" which would have made the correct amount in
pesos for my gas purchase to be 268.00. More than 40.00 pesos difference!!! Mario asked the guy why he pumped less, and he said, "No entiendo
Ingles". I told the guy 20 dolares in Spanish...anyways, Mario made him pump the difference...BUYERS BEWARE!!! |
your fault...you're a doctor!!!
you should have worked out the amount in pesos BEFORE he started the pump... |
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Barry A.
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Tho I tend to agree with the thrust of your premise, just how many gas station attendents in the USA could figure out how many gallons to pump into a
Mexicanos tank when he handed them a 100 peso note, even if they even WOULD except any pesos??? I know that I could not figure that out without a
calculator, and even then I probably would stumble. It is NOT that easy for we 'math-challenged' individuals.
I always use Pesos when in Mexico------period. I don't even take USA dollars with me.
Barry
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ges/peso's
I use only peso's now !! after year's of getting short changed,,,,almost all pemex's give a low exchange, rate !! K&T 
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | Originally posted by captkw
I use only peso's now !! after year's of getting short changed,,,,almost all pemex's give a low exchange, rate !! K&T |
actually that's not ture either...
three months ago
i got 13.3 at the border cambio (best rate no comission)
the rate at the tj gas station on the toll road was giving 13.5
i gave him $40 USA i got 540 pesos in gas
[Edited on 1-11-2012 by Bob and Susan]
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Bob and Susan
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally posted by Bajatripper
soooo...did you check your gas container for accuracy?
again...prove it...i did
this is how "stories and myths" continue...fools |
Sooooo...Bob and Susan, you are going to argue for--indeed, defend--the accuracy of Pemex gas pumps? Who's the fool here?
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oh...i'm NOT saying i'm not a fool..
i certainly am...
BUT
in this case...prove these accusations
it should be easy enough
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Mood: 'At home we demand facts and get them. In Mexico one subsists on rumor and never demands anything.' Charles Flandrau,
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As an engineer I can tell you for a fact that the only vessel that is recognized to determine accuracy of liquid dispenser quantities is a bureau of
weights and measures "test measure" I use a 19 liter Seraphin Test Measure with certificate of accuracy traceable to N.I.S.T. National Institute of
Standards and Technology. Hyperbole is worthless. I have determined to standards J-133 (1), (3) and (4) that Pemex pumps dispense DIFFERENT delivered
quantities of product between ordered specified liters and liters delivered when an EXACT compensatory peso amount is ordered. Test is easy to do:
Specify 19 liters of fuel and note total sales peso price. Then order that EXACT peso amount and subsequently note the amount of LITERS shown versus
liters delivered. PROFECO and PEMEX O-N-L-Y test dispensers by ordering 19 liters.
Doubters May If They Wish Offer Enough Money Compensation To Pay For A Convincing On-Site Rebuttal.
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Roberto
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DavidE, last time you posted this same information there were several pages of posts, Bob went to the Pemex in Mulege more than once, and on and on.
Not a peep from DavidE. Now you reiterate the same information. Why don't you go back, read those posts and provide your opinion on that. Or not.
Here's the link: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=56440#pid6759...
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Woooosh
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"CostCo settles gas lawsuit" yup, about hot gas.
"As part of the settlement, Costco has agreed to install new pumps at stores in 14 states in the south and southwest. The new pumps regulate fuel by
delivering slightly more gas for the same price when the fuel is "hot." "
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/04/hot_fuel02.htm...
[Edited on 1-11-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
1961- JFK to Canadian parliament (Edmund Burke)
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Bob and Susan
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"When the temperature of gasoline rises above 60 degrees, gasoline expands but gas pumps don’taccount for the bigger volume...
consumers receive less gasoline than they should.
For every 15-degree rise in temperature, 1% of the fuel is
lost to expansion"
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i had a marketing class at cal poly pomona long ago...
the teacher was a vice president of texaco at the time
he said if you buy your gas in the morning when its cold
you WILL have more gas in the afternoon...when its hot
the question was asked
when it expands does it burn differently?
he said no
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http://acwm.co.la.ca.us/scripts/Consumer.htm
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Life's too short to spend it sweating the small stuff. This reminds me of when I used to get so angry at the butchers in our village who would charge
more than the government regulated price. My wise Otomi mother-in-law would just laugh at me and ask "with that attitude, when are you going to eat?"
I don't go out of my way to buy gas in the morning. I buy it when I need it. Yeah, I get irritated when I feel I'm being ripped off at Pemex. But,
when I'm running on empty I just buy it and move on.
All my childhood I wanted to be older. Now I\'m older and this chitn sucks.
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Ateo
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I'm tempted to get into this conversation but I'm packing for my Baja trip as we speak. All I will say is you're getting more ripped off buying your
Takis, Cheetos, fountain drinks, beer and cigarettes in the gasoline station convenience store.
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Ateo
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I spend 10 hours a day doing compliance inspections at gas stations and I will tell you that customers and their rip off allegations are wrong 99% of
the time. There is no conspiracy.
Inventory reconciliation numbers show overages and shortages of a couple hundred gallons per month depending on what time of the year it is - due to
temp correction. One could argue the station owner is getting ripped off from the delivery terminal where they purchase fuel, but those numbers
usually balance out quite nice over time. That's why you don't hear gas station owners suing their suppliers. They see the data and the data shows a
very minuscule discrepancy.
[Edited on 1-12-2012 by ateo]
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Woooosh
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| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
One could argue the station owner is getting ripped off from the delivery terminal where they purchase fuel, but those numbers usually balance out
quite nice over time. That's why you don't hear gas station owners suing their suppliers. They see the data and the data shows a very minuscule
discrepancy.
[Edited on 1-12-2012 by ateo] |
I had not followed the supply chain to consider that. Good observation. thanks.
[Edited on 1-12-2012 by Woooosh]
\"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing\"
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Ateo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Woooosh
| Quote: | Originally posted by ateo
One could argue the station owner is getting ripped off from the delivery terminal where they purchase fuel, but those numbers usually balance out
quite nice over time. That's why you don't hear gas station owners suing their suppliers. They see the data and the data shows a very minuscule
discrepancy.
[Edited on 1-12-2012 by ateo] |
I had not followed the supply chain to consider that. Good observation. thanks.
[Edited on 1-12-2012 by Woooosh] |
Awesome. Glad I could add some inside knowledge.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Oso
Life's too short to spend it sweating the small stuff. This reminds me of when I used to get so angry at the butchers in our village who would charge
more than the government regulated price. My wise Otomi mother-in-law would just laugh at me and ask "with that attitude, when are you going to eat?"
I don't go out of my way to buy gas in the morning. I buy it when I need it. Yeah, I get irritated when I feel I'm being ripped off at Pemex. But,
when I'm running on empty I just buy it and move on. |
But, do you use a 19 liter Seraphin Test Measure with certificate of accuracy traceable to N.I.S.T. National Institute of Standards and Technology?
Huh? Whatcha got to say about that? I see you must not be an engineer, even one who ain't done no engineerin' in ... Well forever.
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Roberto :-)
Optimist: Glass is half-full
Pessimist: Glass is half-empty
Engineer: Glass is twice as big as it needs to be
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GAS
I,say,,all of us are getting screwed,,at the pump and WE, need to find feul alternative's,,,argue, with me.... K&T
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What the Mexicans are saying about it
Piden a PROFECO inspeccionar gasolineras
Los Cabos, Baja California Sur.- Piden que la Profeco realice una revisión en las gasolineras de la localidad, debido a que al parecer están vendiendo
menos producto que el indicado en las bombas.
Señaló el señor Nicolás Bernal, vecino de la Colonia Lomas del Sol, que acudió a la gasolinera ubicada por el Bulevar Leona Vicario, llevando un
galón, 3870 mililitros, y al momento de revisar la bomba, ésta marcaba más de cuatro litros, sucediendo lo mismo en la gasolinera ubicada en la
Colonia Venados, ubicada a un costado del Aliser.
Dando a conocer que es alrededor del 10 por ciento, lo que les están robando o cobrando de más, por lo que es necesario que se les ponga un alto y se
regularice, porque de por sí está subiendo el costo del combustible cada mes, que les afecta en su economía y ahora con esto.
http://www.oem.com.mx/elsudcaliforniano/notas/n2381271.htm
PROFECO asked to inspect gas stations
Los Cabos, Baja California Sur - They are asking Profeco to inspect gas stations in the area, due to the fact it appears they are selling less product
than is indicated by the pumps.
This was pointed out by señor Nicolás Bernal, who lives in colonia Lomas del Sol, who went to a gas station on Bulevar Leona Vicario, carrying a one
gallon can - 3.87 liters -- and when he looked at the pump it was recording more than four liters. The same thing happened in the gas station located
in colonia Venados, located to the side of Aliser.
He reported that they are robbing or overcharging around 10 percent, and it is necessary to bring an end to this and regulate them. The cost of gas
is increasing every month, and it affects the economy and now this issue.
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