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[*] posted on 9-23-2012 at 04:51 PM


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Ever see what a calf does to it's mother when it isn't satisfied with what's happening, or is bored, or whatever? Very few farmers I've seen, chomp down and try to run out the door of the milk barn with a mouth full.

Nature is not all fuzzy-wuzzy cuddle-poo life of luxury for any animal. A little puppy with needle teeth can torture its mother, never mind half a dozen snapping little crocs chasing her around.

I remember years ago helping to release a sea otter that had been injured, nursed back to health and then taken out to be released. The animal was about four years of age, a male. When the door was opened the little guy swam out, turned around and hauled burrito back into the cage.

I am dead against animal cruelty, especially elective cruelty that is not unintentional. My hens in Michoacán have the run of the barnyard. At night they get locked up away from marauding possums. Spoiled? Yeah you can say that. They scratch, they get corn and rice in their diet. They also have a rooster they follow around everywhere. If you look at a pasture it is the cows that always migrate to the bull. This is nature.

If you should compare what man eats now compared to what he ate in 3,000 BC, or 1492, or 1776, according to the pundits, we should have gone extinct. No fruit, no vegetables during the winter. Salt pork and flour flatcakes. Boil it down to three modern day enemies, excessive sugars, salt and fat. Greatly reduce the three of them and weight shall be shed. A person does not need to resort to gobbling tree moss to be healthy. It is sugars, salt and fat that does most of the damage. Yes carbohydrates create sugar. One of the absolute worst things I can eat is rice, in tandem with corn, followed by potatoes. It takes common sense to makes things work right, not just some fad diet.

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[*] posted on 9-23-2012 at 06:21 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

We will fight for bovine freedom, we will hold our large heads high. We will run free with the buffalo or die....cows with guns.

(I love this song, I hope the link works)

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[Edited on 24-9-2012 by Paulina]




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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 08:19 AM


More recommended reading - "The Omnivore's Dilemma" (about the food supply and where our food comes from) and "In Defense of Food". Both by Michael Pollan.
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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 08:55 AM


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

We will fight for bovine freedom, we will hold our large heads high. We will run free with the buffalo or die....cows with guns.

(I love this song, I hope the link works)

P>*)))>{

[Edited on 24-9-2012 by Paulina]


Thanks Paulina - "That was fun." Anthropomorphism aside. Now I have an earbug - probably to Elizabeth's delight.




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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 09:37 AM
ALL I can say is .....................


THANK GOD for Cows to KILL.

Along with Pigs, Chickens, Lambs and Fish.

And whatever mysterious combination of (formerly living) ingredients were in today's Spam.

Life without Meat would be less enjoyable.

Probably why Vegans tend to be such a Pain-in-the-Rear to be around.

Get Happy. Have a Whopper.
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biggrin.gif posted on 9-24-2012 at 11:33 AM
Animal-based meat is sooo last millenium


Cultured tissue is already used for a variety of medical applications such as skin grafting. Soon cultured leather will be available, then test tube burgers and steaks (about 10 years away) for your guilt-free dining pleasure.



Game changer: 3D printed meat




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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 12:11 PM


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Originally posted by Paulina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

We will fight for bovine freedom, we will hold our large heads high. We will run free with the buffalo or die....cows with guns.

(I love this song, I hope the link works)

P>*)))>{

[Edited on 24-9-2012 by Paulina]


Viva la Revolución...Support your right to arm cows!!!!!
Loved it!
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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 02:14 PM


A few years ago I had some vegetarian burger patties that were awesome. So awesome in fact that my friend would not touch them after trying one. "Ugh too much like the real thing", she complained. I ate hers.



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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 02:32 PM


DavidE,

I guess it just shows that you can't please some people.

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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 02:59 PM
Guilt-Free Meat ?


Is already here.

I feel no guilt at all.

Admittedly, one of the most disagreeable things I did as a youth was participating in slaughtering a cow.

While hoping never to do so again, I didn't have any problem consuming the product.

And still don't, but it comes out of the case at the market.
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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 03:59 PM


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A few years ago I had some vegetarian burger patties that were awesome. So awesome in fact that my friend would not touch them after trying one. "Ugh too much like the real thing", she complained. I ate hers.
My wife bought some rather bland veggie burgers from Costco but we found they were really good with bacon.
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[*] posted on 9-24-2012 at 11:06 PM


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Originally posted by Paulina
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMbXvn2RNI

We will fight for bovine freedom, we will hold our large heads high. We will run free with the buffalo or die....cows with guns.

(I love this song, I hope the link works)

P>*)))>{

[Edited on 24-9-2012 by Paulina]


Bravo! Absolutely hilarious. Well done and the animation is just as good as the song.
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[*] posted on 9-25-2012 at 05:31 AM


Just heard on the morning news the wholesale price of dead animal parts, including blood, blood vessels, skin, fat, flesh, tendons, and ligaments, in this case in the form of chicken extremities, has doubled.

Excellent!

Cows with guns! ;)

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[*] posted on 9-25-2012 at 06:18 AM


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Cultured tissue is already used for a variety of medical applications such as skin grafting. Soon cultured leather will be available, then test tube burgers and steaks (about 10 years away) for your guilt-free dining pleasure.



Game changer: 3D printed meat [/quote

Knew about the research for cultured meats for some time but this is the first I've heard of using 3D printing for meat...wow, Scotty replicate me a T-bone!
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[*] posted on 9-25-2012 at 10:06 AM
Speaking from Experience


I seriously doubt that the "Guilt" angle has ANY chance of EVER making serious inroads in meat consumption.

It NEVER has.

For ANYBODY I've ever met.

BTW, in addition to my youthful Slaughtering experience, there was a period when my father worked for Baker Rendering Co. in Cudahy as a driver picking up Fat and Tallow from Markets and Butcher shops each day for rendering down as soap base.

On a number of occasions I accompanied him on his route. It was one of the foulest experiences possible. Given that the stench from the rendering plants would often waft for 20 miles or more, actually being inside the building was almost overpowering.

That said, the Filet Mignon, Prime Rib, Roast and Hamburgers those nights TASTED GREAT.

People have a facility for easily compartmentalizing and setting aside.

MEAT IS NEAT.

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[*] posted on 9-25-2012 at 10:29 AM


They are still operation, as they still serve a purpose ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5-XFdGl0Vc



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[*] posted on 9-26-2012 at 09:46 AM
TASTE DEPRIVATION ALERT


DANGER - DANGER - DANGER.

Forget the Mid-East trivia.

Set aside Gas Prices.

Ignore the Electoral nonsense.

The B in BLT is endangered ?

There are WARNINGS that PORK could soon be in short supply due to the ongoing worldwide drought conditions.

OH NO, B.O., Say it ain't SO.

BUT, THANK GOD, the followup said that it is unlikely there will be a shortfall of supply in God's Blessed Provision in the USA. Simply an increase in cost.

WHEW !

As the news commentator said "Bacon is a REAL good friend of mine."

More to pay OK. Pork to go AWAY ?

NAY !
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[*] posted on 9-26-2012 at 10:25 AM


If you are concerned about the inhumaness of eating meat. IMO that pales to the inhumanity that laboratory animals are subjected to during the development and testing of all of our miracle drugs. Pathogens are directly injected into them to see how much a drug will help. At least animal food is killed mercifully quickly. Here you measure success by how long an animal survives.
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[*] posted on 9-26-2012 at 11:55 AM


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If you are concerned about the inhumaness of eating meat. IMO that pales to the inhumanity that laboratory animals are subjected to during the development and testing of all of our miracle drugs. Pathogens are directly injected into them to see how much a drug will help. At least animal food is killed mercifully quickly. Here you measure success by how long an animal survives.


Yes there is a big debate about experimenting with live animals for medical purposes. It's a complicated issue because many believe the benefits justify the action. There's a very practical aspect to it. Researchers using live animals are aware of the ethical issues as are the organizations that govern their research. A rigorous ethical vegan would be against it.

Meat eating involves orders of magnitude more animals and most importantly in my opinion, individuals can make the decision to not eat meat or use animal products without causing others who disagree with animal rights any problems and without the requirement to make/change laws. The only reason to eat meat is that it tastes good. There are very practical reasons to not eat meat in addition to the ethical consideration.

It's fundamentally the same issue, but with significantly different aspects.

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[*] posted on 9-26-2012 at 12:53 PM


Yes, they are a similar issue but the cruelty of testing on living things is magnitudes higher than simply slaughtering one.

Yet I don't think any vegan would refuse a pill to make him well on the basis of the suffering that had gone into making that pill.

Sounds like hypocrisy to me.
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