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Bajaboy
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
Zac,you keep bringing this up.If it was fair why is it that 47% per cent of the population don't pay any taxes at all?Including me.
I agree that the tax code sucks but don't you think that the burden of taxes is put on the wealthy?I understand the liberal point of view about
distribution of wealth(I am not a conservative and actually was a lot more liberal when I was younger.I views changed because the ).The "haves" need
to help the" have-nots".It's all a matter of point of view.Do you own a home?Do you get a mortgage interest deduction?Do you think it is fair because
you are able to own a home and others cannot?Why should you get a deduction because you are doing better financially than others?
Do the poor provide jobs?
Do the poor donate to universities,build libraries,hospitals etc.?
Do the poor donate special wheel chairs at 15 grand a piece for our disabled veterans?
It seems if 20 per cent of a million dollars is 200 hundred grand,don't you think that helps a whole lot more than 35 per cent of 50 grand?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again....I am proud to pay my taxes. I don't b-tch about it. I feel fortunate that I am in a position to
contribute to society.
But what peees me off is that the tax code favors the rich. There are so many examples of multi-billion dollar companies paying little to no taxes.
In fact, the government takes in less revenue today as a percentage from business than it did twenty years ago. On the flip side, individuals pay
more as a percentage. This is not a coincidence. How many millionaires make up Congress?
Do I respect those that game the system...no...but that goes for Mitt Romney and his friends too. I respect hard working, tax paying citizens...and
it has nothing to do with who one votes for. There are plenty of red states that take in far more than they contribute.
I suppose we both believe in the same values...work hard, pay your fair share, and help out when possible....but it applies to all Americans.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
But what peees me off is that the tax code favors the rich. |
Look at it like this, Zac; It's motivation....an incentive for you to give it your best and get rich. Then you can enjoy the logic of it all......as
well as your hard earned wealth. 
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DENNIS
| Quote: | Originally posted by Bajaboy
But what peees me off is that the tax code favors the rich. |
Look at it like this, Zac; It's motivation....an incentive for you to give it your best and get rich. Then you can enjoy the logic of it all......as
well as your hard earned wealth. |
Thanks but no thanks....I have no motivation to be wealthy...I live a good life and am comfortable in the shoes I wear.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
Zac,do you get a mortgage interest deduction?Some people would you say you are gaming the systems.Are you?Of course not.You are following the
rules.Same as the corporations.
You sound like corporations are an evil thing.The one I worked for provided me with a good living,profit sharing a 401 package.Provided me with
medical,retirement and they continue to pay a good portion of my medical after I retired.
You will never know how this corporation provided security for this nation and our allies.Apollo 13 came home because of this corporation.Advance
notice of scud attacks were provided by this corporation.It goes on and on. |
The difference between me and the corporation is that I don't have a lobbyist looking out for me or my interests. I get crumbs while your corporation
feasts on roast pig.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
One other difference is that you did not provide me and thousands of others with a good living.
Why do you continue to bring up Romney?He donated his inheritance to Brigam Young University.I know how he made his money whether you like the way he
made it or not. Tell me how a community organizer becomes a millionaire?Tell me what the heck is a community organizer. |
Glenn, still not sure why you are going to bat for a team that you don't play for...
Do you get a gov't pension? How about if we convert it to a 401k? Do you have gov't medical care? How about if we give you a yearly voucher? Maybe
we should just let haliburton take over all operations....Do you think our military personnel would be treated better or worse?
How does a community organizer become a millionaire? Get a law degree and go to work for the lobbyists...I mean Congress.
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This thread reminds me of a program I recently saw on Bill Gates. I believe Gates quoted that the greatest waste of life is if a wealthy man dies with
all his wealth. So Bill has this foundation now that's trying to eradicate disease in Africa and hunger elsewhere.
So my thinking was, why did we go this circuitous route. Why did Microsoft have such a markup that now Bill is trying to figure out how to spend it
all. Why didn't the consumer just have some of his cost earmarked for worthwhile goals directly instead of paying for overpriced goods.
You think of Andrew Carnegie. What was the point of amassing all that wealth? The public could have donated that money directly to building all those
public libraries he had built.
It's also interesting that these wealthy men apparently weren't happy until they gave their money away. It was the spending on the public that
eventually brought them happiness. The same public from whom they made their wealth. Puzzling, isn't it?
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Regarding the question of who is happier, Mexicans or Americans. It's a topic that's discussed here at least 2 times a year. Expats living in Mexico
especially like to point out how much happier Mexicans are. Frankly I think expats all over the world feel that way about their adopted country. The
question, however, still remains why are all these happy people trying so hard to get into such an unhappy country.
One thing that wealth and education provides is not wealth itself, but stability and less anxiety. If you're educated and living in the US you really
don't need to worry too much about making ends meet or getting the best medical attention when you need it. In Latin America they're always searching
and worrying. They have lots of kids in order to build their own safety net because it ain't there. Large families provide stability.
And no, the education in baja schools is not very good. Try giving a baja high school grad the SAT math test and see the results. I know, what good is
geometry? The high tech industry here in the US is starved for engineers yet I never see any Mexicans in these positions. That tells you a lot about
their educational system.
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Being Dumb and Happy
The report that news agencies are using for Cheery cherry-picking to make whatever point they're interested in is notable for the fact that, while
all seem to be concentrating on the "Be Happy" part, Happiness is NOT in the report, but rather "Life Contentment".
AND, the difference in that category could be considered relatively insignificant (7.3 v 7.0).
Overall "Quality of Life" for the U.S. comes in well-above Mexico at 6th overall.
Given the dramatic differences in Literacy rates, maybe it's just a matter of recognizing your limitations and knowing your life isn't going anywhere.
Perhaps the REAL moral IS:
Move to Australia ?
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Mexicans are happier because they work for what they have. A real feeling of accomplishment. They don't watch 4-5 hours worth of TV news, Fox, MSNBC,
CNN, HLN. They just care about what's going on around them, probably could care less about the middle east, Obama or any of the Washington DC
scandals. Stock market? What's a stock market. To a Mexican you buy cattle, pigs, sheep, maybe chickens at the stock market.
Why do Liberals insist and demand that achievers pay the way for nonachievers who are to lazy to succeed, or are just failures by their own choice?
Criminals prefer unarmed victims, dictators prefer unarmed subjects.
Why do ignorant people continue their blabbering when it only proves to others how stupid they are.
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A sense of hopelessness real or imagined IMHO is a real enemy of the poor. How people react to it is what defines character...
A Lot To See And A Lot To Do
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Everyday geometry
| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
Like I said before,I only know about the school system in Abreojos.Off hand ,I can name three kids going to the InstitutoTecnolologico de
Ensenada.All majoring in engineering.There are probably more.Ralph knows them (Pedro,Hernan an Asael).
What good is geometry? If I didn't have a good background in geometry and trig I could not have done my job.I have to calculate a lot of compound
angles building my truck. tan c=tan of a x cos of b if anybody is interested.
Just thinking maybe this website has outlived it's usefullness. |
Every truck driver uses it but may not know it. Every seen a sign on the highway saying 6% grade next 6 miles?
6% (.06) is the Sine of the vertical drop in feet divided by the distance traveled in feet (6 miles = 31,680 feet).
(c/a = Sine of C or 2020.8 ft drop/33,680 ft traveled = .06.
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Whistler, you're misinformed and bitter...maybe take a walk and get a hug from someone
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
I am not bitter at all.I actually am quite happy with my life.
Tell me where I am misinformed and I will stand corrected.
Just answer me this one question and I will not bring up this subject again.
Do you contribute to your health plan for you and your family? |
Yes and to my retirement.
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| Quote: | Originally posted by whistler
"Our contractually,fully paid benefits remain in effect"
Not even what is written in your contract. |
I don't work for San Diego Unified but my wife does. She makes less than I do although she has more experience. She pays for her benefits via
reduced pay. Rates for my district range between $400-1400 per month based on the plan and coverage.
Why do I need to explain myself? And why do you only b-tch about teachers?
As I said prior, you are misinformed.
[Edited on 5-31-2013 by Bajaboy]
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When a person goes to the store and purchases a hundred dollars worth of groceries that "should" cost sixty five if speculators did not take their
"cut", it's the millionaires who suffer. Right?
Our whole economic model is as badly skewed as the Mexican justice system. The money that Banque de Quebec MAKES on North American crude oil
speculation makes all petroleum products a lot more expensive. Now how does THAT help a struggling individual invest in America?
The people who cost US money, are not just the poor. No way Joser. Speculation affects everyone but especially those folks in the lower income
echelon. People who sit behind a desk transfer someone else's money and make millions and millions and millions. These are the true leeches and
maggots of the American dream.
HEY THERE! I paid a lot of money investing in this gun. I don't want to hear any gosh darnned complaints. Hand over your wallet.
[Edited on 6-1-2013 by DavidE]
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| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
When a person goes to the store and purchases a hundred dollars worth of groceries that "should" cost sixty five if speculators did not take their
"cut", it's the millionaires who suffer. Right?
Our whole economic model is as badly skewed as the Mexican justice system. The money that Banque de Quebec MAKES on North American crude oil
speculation makes all petroleum products a lot more expensive. Now how does THAT help a struggling individual invest in America?
The people who cost US money, are not just the poor. No way Joser. Speculation affects everyone but especially those folks in the lower income
echelon. People who sit behind a desk transfer someone else's money and make millions and millions and millions. These are the true leeches and
maggots of the American dream.
HEY THERE! I paid a lot of money investing in this gun. I don't want to hear any gosh darnned complaints. Hand over your wallet.
[Edited on 6-1-2013 by DavidE] |
reminds me of the story where Calif workers are gonna get a raise to $9.25/hour as the minimum over 3 years:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bills-minimum-wage-2...
while this seems like the fair thing to do, how will the Corps/small biz's deal with the almost 20% rise in their expenses? do you think it will be
passed on to their customers (the EVIL consumers?) or do you think they will absorb the costs?
i think that ALL of our costs will rise AND the minimum wage earners will still be at the bottom of the economic scale, even with an almost 20% pay
raise...... howz that for fair?
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...and of course those of us living on our SS get nothing or even if we get a small COL increase the government increases our Medicare deduction to
equal or greater than that increase. 
Bob Durrell
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| Quote: | Originally posted by woody with a view
| Quote: | Originally posted by DavidE
When a person goes to the store and purchases a hundred dollars worth of groceries that "should" cost sixty five if speculators did not take their
"cut", it's the millionaires who suffer. Right?
Our whole economic model is as badly skewed as the Mexican justice system. The money that Banque de Quebec MAKES on North American crude oil
speculation makes all petroleum products a lot more expensive. Now how does THAT help a struggling individual invest in America?
The people who cost US money, are not just the poor. No way Joser. Speculation affects everyone but especially those folks in the lower income
echelon. People who sit behind a desk transfer someone else's money and make millions and millions and millions. These are the true leeches and
maggots of the American dream.
HEY THERE! I paid a lot of money investing in this gun. I don't want to hear any gosh darnned complaints. Hand over your wallet.
[Edited on 6-1-2013 by DavidE] |
reminds me of the story where Calif workers are gonna get a raise to $9.25/hour as the minimum over 3 years:
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bills-minimum-wage-2...
while this seems like the fair thing to do, how will the Corps/small biz's deal with the almost 20% rise in their expenses? do you think it will be
passed on to their customers (the EVIL consumers?) or do you think they will absorb the costs?
i think that ALL of our costs will rise AND the minimum wage earners will still be at the bottom of the economic scale, even with an almost 20% pay
raise...... howz that for fair? |
Here you go Woody...
The Low Wage Drag on Our Economy:
WalMart’s low wages and their effect on taxpayers and economic
growth:
http://democrats.edworkforce.house.gov/sites/democrats.edwor...
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sounds like we see things the same, sorta....
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Walmart is currently running an ad on TV that says they will offer a job to any veteran returning for Afghanistan that wants one and that their
ultimate goal is to hire 100,000 veterans. Maybe their pay is better then the Army's?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by durrelllrobert
Walmart is currently running an ad on TV that says they will offer a job to any veteran returning for Afghanistan that wants one and that their
ultimate goal is to hire 100,000 veterans. Maybe their pay is better then the Army's? |
I'll bet they won't assign them to the hunting department. 
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