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surabi
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Prevention is always preferable to a cure. Quite laughable that a guy who railed against masking, lockdowns and mandatory vaccination and bragged
about going out and about all through Covid, travelling and attending mass events which spread the virus, is now "helping" people by telling them to
take an anti-viral medication. And seems to think everyone is unaware of it and needs his "medical" advice.
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BajaMama
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Hijacking back to original topic - uptick in covid cases. Empirical evidence suggests there is an uptick. My husband just walked in and reported 8
employees on 3 different job sites who are sick.
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surabi
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/hollywood-studio-brings-back-mask-...
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BajaMama
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Northern California, Bay Area. He has had PEs & PMs report a case now and then, but 8 in one day was a lot - granted it was Monday.
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SFandH
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New boosters will be available in mid-September. Get your annual vaccination, or don't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4MysjqSvfk
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Cases are not being monitored properly these days.
OTH, hospitalizations in the US have been accelerating for the 4th straight week, this is not just empirical.
ER visits for seniors over 75 and for children ages 0 to 11 have climbed steeply, with the steepest increase for children 1 year and younger. In
Arkansas, Louisiana, and Texas the share of ER visits for children ages 0 to 11 have surpassed seniors.
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NY Times citing comprehensive study says masks don't work.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-...
The most rigorous and comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illnesses
— including Covid-19 — was published late last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist who is its lead author, were
unambiguous.
“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” he told the journalist Maryanne Demasi. “Full stop.”
What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?
“They were convinced by non-randomized studies, flawed observational studies.”
These observations don’t come from just anywhere. Jefferson and 11 colleagues conducted the study for Cochrane, a British nonprofit that is widely
considered the gold standard for its reviews of health care data. The conclusions were based on 78 randomized controlled trials, six of them during
the Covid pandemic, with a total of 610,872 participants in multiple countries. And they track what has been widely observed in the United States:
States with mask mandates fared no better against Covid than those without.
CNN just confronted Fauci with the mask study yesterday and Fauci talks in circles:
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1698370513460973879?s=...
[Edited on 9-4-2023 by JZ]
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SFandH
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Here are the authors' conclusions from the actual study (emphasis added):
Authors' conclusions
"The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies
hampers drawing firm conclusions. There were additional RCTs during the pandemic related to physical interventions but a relative paucity
given the importance of the question of masking and its relative effectiveness and the concomitant measures of mask adherence which would be highly
relevant to the measurement of effectiveness, especially in the elderly and in young children.
There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is
limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear
reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical
masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection. Hand hygiene is likely
to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory illness, and although this effect was also present when ILI and laboratory‐confirmed influenza were
analysed separately, it was not found to be a significant difference for the latter two outcomes. Harms associated with physical interventions were
under‐investigated.
There is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and populations, as
well as the impact of adherence on effectiveness, especially in those most at risk of ARIs."
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...
It's interesting how you trash the New York Times unless it publishes something that agrees with your ideological-driven thinking.
Also, the NYT article is on the newspaper's Opinion page.
[Edited on 9-4-2023 by SFandH]
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AKgringo
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My sense of smell is recovering!
One of the first signs that the cough I developed in July might be covid was my inability to smell food I was cooking, or anything else for that
matter. I even took the top off of a gasoline jug and smelled nothing when I sniffed it!
Yesterday, for the first time since July, I realized that my dog still stinks up the inside of my Trooper, and needs a bath! I suppose that means I
will also be able to appreciate her farts again. 
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  |
It's interesting how you trash the New York Times unless it publishes something that agrees with your ideological-driven thinking.
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NYT's and CNN are propaganda arms of the DNC. I used them, as those are the sources you believe. I try to not quote Fox, etc.
Those are direct quotes. Are you saying they lied?
The CNN host certainly gives it some credence to the study. Did you bother to listen to Fauci's jibber-jabber in the CNN interview? Did that inspire
confidence? He basically said masks don't help on the the grand scale of a pandemic, but do on the individual level?? Whatever that means, who
knows.
The was a Dr. from NIH who said in 2021 that cloth masks were totally worthless. Those comments seem to be magically removed from YouTube.
None of this has you questioning these people? There are lots of videos out there showing Fauci has lied about a number of things. You can see him
in 2023 claiming he didn't recommend lock downs, and then they play a clip from 2020 of him saying he recommended lock downs. Shady, shady stuff.
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surabi
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The term "cloth mask" is about as specific as the word "fuel". Just as there are multiple types of fuel, there are multiple types of "cloth masks".
Just like gas doesn't work to fuel an electric stove, a thin bandana doesn't work to stop the spread of virus particles. I explained this to you here
2 years ago, but you ignore whatever doesn't fit your agenda.
Nor do you understand that liberals don't simply believe something because it's reported on what you mistakenly refer to as "lib rags", so using the
NYT as a source, thinking that's all it takes for us to believe something is a fact, is laughable.
We aren't as gullible and incapable of doing our own research, or comprehending what an article really says, as opposed to cherry picking, as you
right wingers.
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| Quote: Originally posted by JZ | | Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
It's interesting how you trash the New York Times unless it publishes something that agrees with your ideological-driven thinking.
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NYT's and CNN are propaganda arms of the DNC. I used them, as those are the sources you believe. I try to not quote Fox, etc.
Those are direct quotes. Are you saying they lied?
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The Times published an opinion by Bret Stephans, an Opinion Columnist. It says OPINION at the top of the page in bold red letters.
Then this is printed before the start:
By Bret Stephens
Opinion Columnist
That should send a signal that what you are about to read is not fact, it's an opinion.
Plus, it was published in February. Where have you been? Or did it take TikTok that long to stir the pot?
Maybe you should read the Times every day, stay up on the news.
Also, I listened to what Fauci said, it made sense to me. I guess you didn't understand.
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JZ
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The study has been all over the news because of the CNN interview and Fauci's nonsensical answer.
The NYT's let the story be posted. Their editors blessed it. The direct quotes from the researcher are not opinions of the person who wrote the
article. The description of who the research lab is and how many ppl were in the study are not opinions. Basically nothing I posted was the
author's opinion.
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surabi
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I understood it, too. Not that complicated. I guess people who can't think outside their box perceive those whose opinions don't bolster their own as
"talking in circles".
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RFClark
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S,
The monsoon flooded near by Los Wages a few days ago prior to the start of festivities on the “dry lake”.
The house I built is about 600 ft back and 70 ft above the beach. It’s designed at least to Florida hurricane specs and is earthquake resistant. Did
you sell your place in Cabo?
I judge people as individuals not by there “color code”. My enemy’s enemy is just that, no more and no less.
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark |
The house I built is about 600 ft back and 70 ft above the beach. It’s designed at least to Florida hurricane specs and is earthquake resistant. Did
you sell your place in Cabo?
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Your place would likely withstand a major hurricane better than most, but I wouldn't be too overconfident if I were you. 600 ft. from the beach and 70
ft. above is nothing in a major hurricane. I've never owned a place in Cabo.
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RFClark
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S,
I’m the one that keeps reminding people that Murphy can outbid your worst nightmares! I thought that you built a place down there?
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Today i heard from a friend still at burning man. He reports he’s having fun, thinks the news is slanted to tell a drama. He reports it’s like any
car camping trip in the wet, just have fun, roll with the punches.
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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surabi
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Don't know where you got that idea. I'd never want to live there.
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RFClark
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Goat,
Been in mud like that. Got a crawler tractor stuck in mud like that. Had to wait until spring to get it out. Past a frequent use of the first two
letters in “fun” I can’t remembering ever using the complete word to describe the situation. I also got 4X4s stuck had to winch them out. Used
the same word frequently.
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