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Cliffy
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"Conspiracy theories are ideas spouted by people who present them as fact for which there is no conclusive evidence"------
CLIMATE CHANGE?
THE EARTH IS DYING IN 10 YEARS?
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surabi
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Cliffy- climate change isn't a conspiracy theory- it is scientific fact based on scientific research. Predictions of when things will reach a point of
no return are simply predictions and predictions are often wrong.
Conspiracy theories are what climate change deniers like you engage in- the idea that there is some evil cabal conspiring to lie about climate change
for the purpose of enriching themselves, controlling the population, taking away your gas guzzlers, etc. and that because the earth has gone through
other extreme climate changes thousands of years ago, it means there's nothing to be concerned about and that human activity has nothing to do with
it.
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Cliffy
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Climate change is nothing new
Its been happening since the earth began
My point is the incessant cacophony of noise about the imminent demise of the earth because the climate is changing, no such factual data appears
anywhere. There is no cause and affect that has been proven
Anything beyond acknowledging that the climate is changing is nothing but guesses and speculation.
AND NONE of the numerous climate models have been shown to be anywhere close in their predictions.
CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough
to adapt. Massive millions of people who live on the coast are not going to drown overnight or have to move in the next century.
Much to the contrary of the current hysteria
Because man is making the CO2 the world is warming
OK but did man warm the world to end the last (or any) Ice Age?
Massive glaciers melted without man's input.
Way more ice than anything we have now on the earth.
What caused that other than a natural process of the earth?
Certainly not cavemen and camp fires
And we worry about the glaciers melting now? Get real.
The world may be warming but it is not dying by any means.
Its a natural process of the earth and MAN is part of the natural process.
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surabi
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You should stop trying to pretend to understand or address anything scientific, Cliffy. There are people who are smart enough to know they aren't very
smart and therefore refrain from broadcasting their simplemindedness. Unfortunately you aren't one of them.
It's hilarious that you refuse to believe any scientific predictions based on science conducted by scientists, yet believe in your own entirely
uninformed predictions.
Here's a really simple concept that even a 5 year old could understand, Cliffy- just because something happens for some reason once doesn't mean it
can't happen for a different reason the next time. Your glass could fall off the table and break because the cat knocked it over. That doesn't mean
that it couldn't fall off the table and break in the future because you left the window open and a gust of wind blew it off onto the floor. Or that it
could fall off and break because there was an earthquake.
Just because some natural phenomenon, not caused by the activity of humans, caused the planet to warm in the ancient past, does not preclude the
planet warming now due to human activity.
Is that way too difficult a concept for you to absorb, or are you going to keep repeating exactly the same nonsense endlessly, like a broken record?
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Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  |
CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough
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Cliffy,
Gonna happen a lot faster than 50 generations!
Here is an example of two coastal airports where sea level rise will require rebuilding or relocation of airport…
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-airports-arent-r...
Aint cheap, cliffy!
Miami is doomed, by the way. In a generation or two, city will be flooded/ruined, or locals will have spent billions to build dikes.
https://www.miamidade.gov/global/economy/resilience/sea-leve...
Most of florida is screwed!
[Edited on 1-14-2024 by mtgoat666]
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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New satellite images show East Coast sinking faster than we thought
New satellite images show the eastern U.S. coast is sinking at a faster rate than what was first reported last year, according to a new study
published in the journal PNAS Nexus.
The insurance companies are bailing because like in California they can’t make money.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/09/satell...
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy |
CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough
to adapt. Massive millions of people who live on the coast are not going to drown overnight or have to move in the next century.
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https://www.rawstory.com/maine-fishing-shack/
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RFClark
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From the “sea rise” report
The “regional processes” driving sea level changes include about half the increase being due to the land sinking. See above chart!
Key Message #1:
Multiple lines of evidence provide increased confidence, regardless of the emissions pathway, in a narrower
range of projected global, national, and regional sea level rise at 2050 than previously reported
(Sweet et al., 2017).
• Both trajectories assessed by extrapolating rates and accelerations estimated from historical tide
gauge observations, and model projections, fall within the same range in all cases, giving higher
confidence in these relative sea level (RSL; land and ocean height changes) rise amounts by 2050.
• Relative sea level along the contiguous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise on average
as much over the next 30 years (0.25–0.30 m over 2020–2050) as it has over the last 100 years
(1920–2020).
• Due to processes driving regional changes in sea level, there are similar regional differences in
both the modeled scenarios and observation-based extrapolations, with higher RSL rise along the
East (0–5 cm higher on average than CONUS) and Gulf Coasts (10–15 cm higher) as compared to
the West (10–15 cm lower) and Hawaiian/Caribbean (5–10 cm lower) Coasts.
• The projections do not include natural year-to-year sea level variability that occurs along U.S.
coastlines in response to climatic modes such as the El Niño–Southern Oscillation.
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Alberta emergency power alert underlines challenge of energy transition on Prairies
The alert was caused by the coldest weather in 50 years.
“Saturday evening's emergency alert from the province of Alberta, warning of rotating power outages because of pressure on the electrical grid
caused by the extreme cold, underlines just how difficult the energy transition is going to be in the Prairie provinces, according to economist Andrew
Leach.
It also demonstrates why more flexibility is needed in Ottawa's Clean Energy Regulations to decarbonize the country's electricity grids, he says“
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-electrical-gr...
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Yesterday in Chicago, hundreds of EV owners stranded in the cold. Had to call friends with ICE to come rescue them. 
Frigid cold, broken chargers leave Chicago area Tesla owners frustrated
https://youtu.be/7YGaqnj5hZU?si=D5MWpVYdSI7n-VLe
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On YouTube, climate denialism takes a turn
The voices that deny climate change have settled on a new refrain.
Instead of rejecting the fact that the Earth is warming, they’re now focusing on skepticism of climate solutions, as well as scientists and
activists and altogether the idea that climate change will cause harm, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a
nonprofit organization that researches digital hate speech and misinformation.
The organization’s analysis suggests that the outright dismissal of climate change is no longer as convincing an argument, so climate skeptics are
shifting the ideological fight to how seriously humanity must take climate change or what ought to be done about it. The report also claims that the
content policies of YouTube’s parent company, Google — which are supposed to block advertising money from content that rejects the scientific
consensus about the existence and causes of climate change — are ineffective and ought to be updated.
“A new front has opened up in this battle,” Imran Ahmed, the organization’s CEO, said at a news conference. “They’ve gone from saying
climate change isn’t happening to now saying: ‘Hey, climate change is happening, but there is no hope. There are no solutions.’”
Woke!
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will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
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JZ
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | On YouTube, climate denialism takes a turn
The voices that deny climate change have settled on a new refrain.
Instead of rejecting the fact that the Earth is warming, they’re now focusing on skepticism of climate solutions, as well as scientists and
activists and altogether the idea that climate change will cause harm, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a
nonprofit organization that researches digital hate speech and misinformation.
The organization’s analysis suggests that the outright dismissal of climate change is no longer as convincing an argument, so climate skeptics are
shifting the ideological fight to how seriously humanity must take climate change or what ought to be done about it. The report also claims that the
content policies of YouTube’s parent company, Google — which are supposed to block advertising money from content that rejects the scientific
consensus about the existence and causes of climate change — are ineffective and ought to be updated.
“A new front has opened up in this battle,” Imran Ahmed, the organization’s CEO, said at a news conference. “They’ve gone from saying
climate change isn’t happening to now saying: ‘Hey, climate change is happening, but there is no hope. There are no solutions.’”
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Give me a break. Nothing is changing regarding the doubt of this Climate Crisis lunacy. 3 years ago on the 1st page of this thread we said, 1) the
climate is changing, 2) the question is how much, if any, are humans responsible for it, 3) can humans do anything about it, and 4) there is no way
the government of the US capable, let alone a 100 other nations, of doing anything about it.
The Climate Crisis is a means to win votes and control populations. Period.
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Cliffy
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Houston had rolling power outages because of the cold weather and the grid couldn't keep up
At least they aren't mandating EV cars in 5 years.
What he said above
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RFClark
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OSG,
If the climate scolds are doing and demanding the “right things” why the big knee in the temperature increases as the air got cleaner?
Remember the ‘90s clean air act? Yes, the air is cleaner so everything is hotter too! Be careful what you demand!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | If the climate scolds are doing and demanding the “right things” why the big knee in the temperature increases as the air got cleaner?
Remember the ‘90s clean air act? Yes, the air is cleaner so everything is hotter too! Be careful what you demand!
[Edited on 1-17-2024 by RFClark]
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Look at that chart! It means something bad! Bad, bad!
Clarkles, thank you for your service!
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RFClark
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OSG,
Remember, I’m the one who posted the chart. You’re young to be starting the short term memory loss thing. I’m old I have an excuse for senility.
What’s yours?
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NYT's Feb 7th 2014
The End of Snow?
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/opinion/sunday/the-end-of...
NYT's Jan 2th 2024
The End of Snow
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/opinion/climate-angst.htm...
Good to see that after 10 years they are confident enough to remove the question mark. 
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surabi
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| Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | rejecting science? The idea that there are other opinions on climate change than the current mantra?
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You know what they say about opinions, Cliffy. Opinions aren't science, and scientists reporting their findings and conclusions aren't "mantras".
Would you hire some guy to rewire your house based upon his opinions about electrical wiring, or would you hire an actual experienced electrician?
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RFClark
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Cultist,
No not “mantras” just often wrong. The medical people say “First do no harm” the climate scolds might give that a try!
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi | | Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy | rejecting science? The idea that there are other opinions on climate change than the current mantra?
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You know what they say about opinions, Cliffy. Opinions aren't science, and scientists reporting their findings and conclusions aren't "mantras".
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"97% of all scientists agree with the people funding them."
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