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surabi
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Quoting other people again without citing your source?
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AKgringo
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Capricious snow storms this year
Huge parts of the US are seeing unexpected snowfall, but other areas are experiencing a fraction of what is average (like where I ski on Donner
Summit).
Yesterday, two news articles caught my attention. One was about the Sleeping Giant ski area in Wyoming, that announced that they still don't have
enough snow to open and are canceling operations for the rest of the season.
South of there, at Vail Colorado they are skiing on 40 inches of fresh snow, with nearby areas reporting up to 56 inches.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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RFClark
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Clean Alternate Energies: Geothermal Breakthrough Emerges From Shale Revolution.
Two recent projects are testing and proving that shale technology can be adapted to extract energy from hot rocks deep underground. The oil and gas
drilling industry initiated the shale industry in 2003. A typical horizontal well, 2 miles long, is fracked up to 40 times along its length to make
oil and gas production commercial. In fact, the shale revolution reignited the US oil and gas industry so that the US became independent in oil and
gas production – the first time in 60 years.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianpalmer/2024/01/17/clean-alte...
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RFClark
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Lee,
It’s not a “theory”. Science and Medicine both are trial and error. There is no way forward past searching by trial and error.
Using bad or incomplete science as the authority to push an agenda is dishonest. Especially when those pushing the agenda don’t themselves follow
it.
That said some things can be seen in advance. Example if pollution is creating clouds that reflect the sun’s energy and you stop the pollution the
sun’s energy that is no longer reflected will rase the temperature faster. That is a “no brainer’! (See above chart) Some thought could have
been given to dealing with the increase in temperatures caused by the cleanup. None was!
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In a paradox, cleaner air is now adding to global warming
Again says the cultist who can’t process anything that doesn't match her dogma! Like this article as an example!
Using an array of satellite observations, researchers have found that the climatic influence of global air pollution has dropped by up to 30% from
2000 levels. Although this is welcome news for public health—airborne fine particles, or aerosols, are believed to kill several million people per
year—it is bad news for global warming. The cleaner air has effectively boosted the total warming from carbon dioxide emitted over the same time by
anywhere from 15% to 50%, estimates Johannes Quaas, a climate scientist at Leipzig University and lead author of the study. And as air pollution
continues to be curbed, he says, “There is a lot more of this to come.”
https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-...
[Edited on 1-18-2024 by RFClark]
[Edited on 1-18-2024 by RFClark]
[Edited on 1-18-2024 by RFClark]
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Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  | Again says the cultist who can’t process anything that doesn't match her dogma! Like this article as an example!
Using an array of satellite observations, researchers have found that the climatic influence of global air pollution has dropped by up to 30% from
2000 levels. Although this is welcome news for public health—airborne fine particles, or aerosols, are believed to kill several million people per
year—it is bad news for global warming. The cleaner air has effectively boosted the total warming from carbon dioxide emitted over the same time by
anywhere from 15% to 50%, estimates Johannes Quaas, a climate scientist at Leipzig University and lead author of the study. And as air pollution
continues to be curbed, he says, “There is a lot more of this to come.”
https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-...
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Very interesting.
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RFClark
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JZ,
None of the Climate Scolds will respond with anything but personal insults. They can’t process that which doesn’t support their agenda! Based on
some of the responses I doubt if some even bother to read the posts. “Taylor Swift Water” as an example!
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OSG,
“Doing stuff” like saving tons of carbon generating solar electricity and driving a PHEV charged from solar electricity as opposed to insulting
people or correcting grammar and spelling in posts that they can’t respond to?
Boosting global temperature increases by doing the wrong thing to “improve the climate” might be an “accomplishment”. I doubt that I’d brag
about it though!
[Edited on 1-18-2024 by RFClark]
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surabi
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Says the guy who has now decided to address those who don't agree with him as "Cultist", and other demeaning names, as well as some string of capital
letters that mean something no doubt insulting which only he is privy to.
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| Quote: Originally posted by Lee | | Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Cultist,
No not “mantras” just often wrong. The medical people say “First do no harm” the climate scolds might give that a try! |
Often wrong? Just your opinion and many here think you don't have facts. Just more looney tune opinions.
Scientists make wrong decisions. That doesn't make them wrong all the time.
Stop believing what you read. Give scientists a break. Conspirators have no credibility here.
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Maybe dr clark would share with us in which science discipline he holds degrees?
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RFClark
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Like I said post pictures, for those who can’t read the posts!
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How Air Pollution Has Put a Brake on Global Warming
2018 interview
“Scientists have long known that these aerosols serve to block incoming solar radiation and temporarily cool the planet, but now an international
team of scientists has quantified that cooling effect, saying the earth would be 0.5 to 1.1 degree C (0.9 to 2 degrees F) warmer if that pollution
were to suddenly disappear.“
https://e360.yale.edu/features/air-pollutions-upside-a-brake...
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Great! All we need to do is pump more crap into the atmosphere, problem solved.
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RFClark
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SF&H,
Actually aluminum oxide works better than SO2 and isn’t toxic. Volcanos emit megatons of SO2 when they erupt. That’s why a big eruption is
followed by a big temperature drop.
Space junk burning up on reentry generates aluminum oxide very high in the atmosphere. We may be approaching a point where the amount of junk will
effect (reduce) the solar input enough to slow the rate of increase.
The point of this type of geo engineering is to allow the time necessary for the phaseout of burning stuff to reduce the CO2 levels.
The other point is there was never a public discussion of these issues even though papers were written on the subject a decade ago or more. A decision
on US policy was made by primarily unelected agency people or foreign actors not elected representatives.
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RFClark
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SF&H,
While this leans up against “Politics” quite hard. I think pointing out that whatever the problems elected governments (in general) have pale
before the systemic issues found at the UN. Iran as the Chair for Woman’s Rights comes to mind here. That as obviously wrong as it is represents the
least of the UN problem.
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As I have pointed out before with regards to the palm trees, the land itself can rise and fall. One example: Just read an article about a seaside
Roman villa that was recently discovered in Italy:
"The villa runs down to a little crumbling stone dock now located about four meters below sea level. That this — and other parts of the unearthed
villa — are now underwater is due to the phenomenon of “negative bradyseism,” a term used to describe the gradual descent of the earth’s
surface into the sea in areas exposed to frequent volcanic activity. (The area borders a moon-shaped “caldera” or extinct volcanic crater)."
A more dramatic example is the submergence of Port Royal, Jamaica, in 1692 after an earthquake. Or, the submergence of the Mississippi River Delta
because silt is no longer replenishing it due the channelization of the river. (often attributed to rising sea levels when in fact it is from sinking
land levels)
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“negative bradyseism"....goat or not the most hated player in the NFL!
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bajaric,
Currently Naples is 15’ higher than a few decades ago thanks to vulcanism. Check out the prior page here. There’s a map of the East Coast of the
US. Currently sinking as a result of natural processes connected with the ice that was there and over pumping recently.
There’s only about 30 years of real data on sea level changes everything prior is speculation and less accurate than measuring with one of those
wood meter sticks that the Nuns smacked recalcitrants with. The scolds try to say there’s more but read the footnotes it’s speculation with a
margin of error wider than the rate of change they are trying to measure. None of which will change their opinion that the end is nigh!
[Edited on 1-19-2024 by RFClark]
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What he said above RFC
You chose your position in life today by what YOU did yesterday
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What does Spock have to do with it?
(Vulcanism)
Getting back to Baja, I have been reading a book called Geology and Oil Possibilities, Baja California, by Beal. This was an edited edition of a book
originally written in the 1920's. In it, Beal noted that "terraces" created along the shorelines of ancient seashores were observed to elevations up
to 800 feet above sea level, and scattered recent seashells at much higher elevations (for example, 10 kilometers south of the south end of Bahia
Conception at an elevation of 1425 feet on the pass leading southwest to Comundu)
Beal concluded that there had been a great submergence in recent times, when the ocean rose up and submerged most of Baja. Today, of course, it is
understood that due to plate tectonics land that at one time was under the sea has risen up to its current elevation, bringing the seashells and
marine terraces along with it. This shows how sometimes even the experts get it wrong. I was surprised to learn that the idea of plate tectonics was
only widely accepted in the 1960's.
The book is pretty outdated, though it does have a huge map of Baja that is pretty cool. Mostly just geological gibberish unless you are a geologist.
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