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surabi
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https://ca.yahoo.com/news/climate-scientist-message-winning-...
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If they were attacking the 'person" rather than the climate message then I have no problem with this outcome. Differences of opinion on science are OK
but name calling is not.
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Could Geoengineering Cool the Planet? People doing something past complaining and skipping school or checking your grammer!
“Altering the ocean or atmosphere to mitigate the effects of climate change is an approach called geoengineering. For scientists, these techniques
were long considered taboo. But now, that’s changing. Researchers and startups are launching three geoengineering field experiments in Israel,
Australia and Massachusetts this year. But will they work and could there be unintended consequences?“
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/could-geoeng...
[Edited on 2-15-2024 by RFClark]
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What could go wrong?
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SFandH,
What’s currently going wrong? (Hint: The temperature is rising!)
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Scientists found a Stone Age megastructure submerged in the Baltic Sea
The Earth began warming naturally over 11,000 years ago and has continued to this day. Humans have recently made things worse. Humans need to take
action to reverse this natural warming trend or again move to higher ground.
“In 2021, Jacob Geersen, a geophysicist with the Leibniz Institute for Baltic Sea Research in the German port town of Warnemünde, took his students
on a training exercise along the Baltic coast. They used a multibeam sonar system to map the seafloor about 6.2 miles (10 kilometers) offshore.
Analyzing the resulting images back in the lab, Geersen noticed a strange structure that did not seem like it would have occurred naturally.
Further investigation led to the conclusion that this was a manmade megastructure built some 11,000 years ago to channel reindeer herds as a hunting
strategy. Dubbed the "Blinkerwall," it's quite possibly the oldest such megastructure yet discovered, according to a new paper published in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences—although precisely dating these kinds of archaeological structures is notoriously challenging.”
https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/02/could-this-submerged...
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Move to higher ground? How's that going to help when the temperatures soar all over the planet to levels that don't support human, and animal life or
food crops?
Mexico City is at 7,350 feet. The mean temperature in 1979 was 16.3C, in 2023 it was 18.3C.
The temperature in June 2023 reached 35C.
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When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those
knuckledraggers!
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When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those
knuckledraggers!
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California is going to have it's hands full when the Pacific ocean re-claims the central valley! Stockton is already a sea port, and Sacramento is
only 30 feet higher.
If you are not living on the edge, you are taking up too much space!
"Could do better if he tried!" Report card comments from most of my grade school teachers. Sadly, still true!
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those
knuckledraggers!
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California is going to have it's hands full when the Pacific ocean re-claims the central valley! Stockton is already a sea port, and Sacramento is
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stockton is a river port. I think stockton port is upstream of the head of tide, isn’t it?
P.s. Replacing stockton with a lake will be an improvement! 
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark |
“Altering the ocean or atmosphere to mitigate the effects of climate change is an approach called geoengineering. For scientists, these techniques
were long considered taboo. But now, that’s changing. Researchers and startups are launching three geoengineering field experiments in Israel,
Australia and Massachusetts this year. But will they work and could there be unintended consequences?“
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/could-geoeng...
[Edited on 2-15-2024 by RFClark] |
My current employer is one of the 3 sets of scientists tinkering with the climate by introducing a lye-like alkaline liquid to the ocean off the
Massachusetts coast. WHOI does some great work, but usually they measure the impact of climate change instead of trying to directly influence it. I'm a tad skeptical.
WHOI has an official FAQ page about the project, cleverly named "LOC-NESS", here
[Edited on 2-18-2024 by pauldavidmena]
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AK,
One of my “fondest memories” of SAC was staying there with my family in the summer. The only place available was down by the river and upon
opening the door a cloud of blood sucking insects awaited us inside.
Past the increase in the size and numbers not much else has changed there in the last 60 years.
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| Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo | | Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | Goat,
Not as big of an improvement as replacing Sacramento. Perhaps the Orcas would run off some of the sharks or better yet invite them out for lunch?
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The habitat would be more likely suitable for lampreys and leeches.! |
I like Sacramento. Nice town to visit. Also pleasant place to get around by bicycle. Among the big cities in central valley, Sacramento is 1000X
better than Bakersfield, Fresno or Stockton! Redding is OK, but pretty dull…
Woke!
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Goat,
That’s a really low bar! Think Buck Owens here!
BTW, make sure you run the really good lock cable through both wheels too or you’ll carry the frame home w/o the wheels! <$1000 is just a
misdemeanor!
[Edited on 2-18-2024 by RFClark]
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As cities go....
Sacramento is not a bad one! Plenty of parks and trees, people are fairly friendly, and you can pretty much find what you need without having to
search very far.
I lived on the north side for a year, and I am only 60 miles north right now. My parasite comment referred to it being the seat of state government.
By the way lampreys are a real thing in the Sacramento River system.
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AK,
Like I said, the home of clouds of blood sucking insects.
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Imagine if we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the “Internal Combustion Engine”! Think how well
they would sell: A vehicle half the weight. Half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in
1/10th the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of
non-renewable rare earth elements to power it and it uses far less steel and other materials.
Just think how excited people would be for such technology. IT WOULD SELL LIKE HOT CAKES!
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Interesting article. Thoughts?
Electric Cars Emit More Particulate Pollution
The Biden administration is reviewing California’s plan to ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035. To get federal approval, California
claims it “needs” this ban to prevent harm to public health from particulate matter—airborne particles like dust, dirt and soot. But banning
gasoline cars would do little to reduce particulate emissions, and it could even increase them.
That’s because new gasoline cars are very clean. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, cars emit only about 1% of all direct fine
particulate matter in California, and most of those emissions come from older models. The newer gasoline cars that California wants to ban will often
have particulate filters that reduce emissions to below one 1/1,000th of a gram per mile driven.
Where do most particulate emissions attributed to cars come from? California speaks as if their primary source is the tailpipe. That was true in the
past. But today most vehicle-related particulate matter comes from tire wear. Cars are heavy, and as their tires rub against the road, they degrade
and release tiny, often toxic particles. According to measurements by an emission-analytics firm, in gasoline cars equipped with a particle filter,
airborne tire-wear emissions are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions.
California calls electric cars “zero emissions vehicles” because they don’t have tailpipes. That is deceptive. Generating the electricity that
powers those cars creates particulate pollution, and of course electric cars still use tires, which are made from petroleum. Electric cars weigh far
more than gasoline-powered ones, so their tires degrade faster, as electric car buyers are learning. The same analytics firm cited earlier compared
two cars—a plug-in electric and a hybrid. The electric car weighed about one-third more than the hybrid and emitted roughly one-quarter more
particulate matter because of tire wear. Total direct emissions went up, not down, when the electric car was driven.
But when California’s air agency analyzed the effects of its ban, it used a model that assumes both kinds of cars have the same tire wear. When the
public pointed out the error, the agency doubled down, claiming it would be “speculative” to assume that electric cars will continue to be heavier
than gasoline cars. The agency mused that in the future automakers could probably “offset” the weight of heavy batteries with unspecified
“weight reduction in other components or the vehicle body.”
California’s bureaucrats have it backward. What’s “speculative” is assuming that electric cars will soon weigh the same as the gasoline cars
they replace. Electric cars are 15% to 30% heavier because batteries store far less energy per pound than liquid fuels. While weight differences
between electric and gasoline cars have remained roughly constant over the past decade, the only reasonable prediction of trends is for electric cars
to get heavier as manufacturers increase battery size to boost range.
Electric car supporters may argue that gasoline cars also contribute to particle pollution by emitting nitrogen oxides, which can turn into particles.
But by California’s estimate, most of the predicted decrease in particle concentrations results from its false assumption that electric cars will
substantially reduce direct emissions of particulates, not nitrogen dioxide.
Before California can set any emissions standards for cars, it needs the EPA’s approval. But don’t hold your breath expecting scientific
integrity. The EPA’s own emissions model falsely “applies the same tire wear emission rate for all vehicle fuel types (gasoline, diesel,
flex-fuel, CNG or electric),” completely ignoring the differences in weight.
Why are California and the EPA so eager to push electric cars when they will increase what EPA administrator Michael Regan calls “one of the most
dangerous forms of air pollution”? That’s a good question. Perhaps someone should ask them under oath.
Mr. Buschbacher is a partner at the law firm Boyden Gray PLLC. He served in the Justice Department’s Environment Division (2020-21). Mr. Myers is a
research fellow at Boyden Gray and holds a doctorate in mechanical engineering.
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 |
Thoughts?
I think you anti-eV people are just cranky old men who hate eVs just because you hate environmentalism, and you are so brain washed that you have a
knee jerk rxn to object to anything you perceive as liberal.
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I'm not anti-EV. I looked at a few last year when buying the wife a new SUV. Decided the tech isn't quite there for what we like to do. I'll get
one at some point. Probably buy my daughter one this year or next.
I'm anti the government forcing it on you, not anti-EV. There is a difference. 
So now you are gonna ignore "science"?
[Edited on 3-4-2024 by JZ]
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Electric Cars Emit More Particulate Pollution
They have greater tire wear, the source of most particulate matter. California is trying to conceal that fact.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/electric-cars-emit-more-soot-ca...
[Edited on 3-5-2024 by JZ]
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