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[*] posted on 3-24-2024 at 01:14 PM


The topic here is more or less about climate change. Climate change has more or less a “Political Component” to it. That said discussing and posting current thinking on the subject is of value as weather does effect Baja California.

That “Component” varies widely depending on where you live and what you believe.

There probably is a “lighting rod” effect here as well. That is probably a “Good Thing”!
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[*] posted on 3-24-2024 at 07:21 PM


Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
The topic here is more or less about climate change. Climate change has more or less a “Political Component” to it. That said discussing and posting current thinking on the subject is of value as weather does effect Baja California.

That “Component” varies widely depending on where you live and what you believe.

There probably is a “lighting rod” effect here as well. That is probably a “Good Thing”!


This thread should be moved to the Baja political section of the board at a minimum. The Hindenburg, Greta Thornburg, and coal miners have nothing to do whatsoever with Baja California. This thread has completely derailed and has nothing to do with the weather.
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[*] posted on 3-25-2024 at 12:21 AM


Quote: Originally posted by US 41  
This is supposed to be a Baja travel related site.


Where does it say it's only a Baja "travel related" site?
I see sections on all kinds of things, including non-Baja trip reports, Baja politics, Baja home building, a general Q and A section, which contains questions about many non-travel related things.
And climate change is affected by and affects travel.


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[*] posted on 3-25-2024 at 06:22 AM


Quote: Originally posted by US 41  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
The topic here is more or less about climate change. Climate change has more or less a “Political Component” to it. That said discussing and posting current thinking on the subject is of value as weather does effect Baja California.

That “Component” varies widely depending on where you live and what you believe.

There probably is a “lighting rod” effect here as well. That is probably a “Good Thing”!


This thread should be moved to the Baja political section of the board at a minimum. The Hindenburg, Greta Thornburg, and coal miners have nothing to do whatsoever with Baja California. This thread has completely derailed and has nothing to do with the weather.



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[*] posted on 3-25-2024 at 11:05 PM


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[*] posted on 4-1-2024 at 10:08 PM


New desalinization technology:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/innovative-sola...
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[*] posted on 4-1-2024 at 11:00 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
New desalinization technology:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/innovative-sola...


What is the relevance to this thread?
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shocked.gif posted on 4-2-2024 at 12:13 AM


Uh-oh.

March 30, 2024
Climate Activists Dragged Out of New York Auto Show After Tossing Oil on EV
https://autos.yahoo.com/climate-activists-dragged-york-auto-...

A group of climate change activists poured quarts of oil on the floor and on vehicles at the opening day of the New York International Auto Show on Saturday morning. In an unusual twist, the protesters were speaking out against electric vehicles and really, all cars.

Extinction Rebellion, a U.K.-based activist group, took credit for the disruption today. Wearing t-shirts bearing the words “No EVs on a dead planet,” the protesters interrupted the opening ceremony by tossing oil on the hood of a Ford F-150 Lightning and all over the stage. Yelling “hit the emergency brake!” one of the protesters was seen carrying a Toyota swag bag, ironically

The climate activists claim that building EVs is as carbon-intensive, if not more so, than that of gas-powered cars. They believe cars “damage the climate in many ways above and beyond their gas consumption.”




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[*] posted on 4-6-2024 at 11:35 PM


Interesting climate protest.
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1776831205826232580




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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 05:33 AM
Lunar nodal tide and mean sea level variation



Sea level changes due to the lunar node tide can amount to a few tenths of millimeters per year, which is significant compared to the sea level rise due to global warming. These changes can lead to local over- or underestimated long-term trends in sea level, and therefore should be considered when analyzing observational records to detect possible trend breaks[13]. While there are arguments suggesting that the theoretical equilibrium tide should adequately represent the lunar nodal tide[15], analyses of tide gauge records question this assumption[13][14][16]. Woodworth (2012[17]) identified several potential causes for departures from equilibrium theory but determining the best method to correct for the effect of the nodal tide on the mean sea level is still a topic of ongoing discussion.



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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 07:28 AM


Very interesting article to those who actually read it

I'd postulate that any "model" on sea level rise is just a guess without actual observation over a protracted period of time say 100 years.
You've got two 18.6 year cycles (with shorter ones included) to contend with and nothing but empirical data can prove or disprove any "guess" of what is actually happening to ocean levels over time.

A very important cut from the article is as below-(as was noted in the preceding post) but needs to be emphasized-

Impact of the lunar node cycle on coastal and marine processes
The lunar node cycle influences coastal processes that are regulated or modulated by tides. Because of the long periodicity, the influence of the lunar node cycle is easily confused with a change in long term trends.


And no one is going to be flooded out within 100 years, period.

Its still the Chicken Little Syndrome

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 08:59 AM
A question about global differences in sea level...


If sea level rises as much as some theories predict, wont, the effects be greater in equatorial regions vs sub polar regions due to the centrifugal effect of the rotation of the earth?

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 12:02 PM


You deniers need to look beyond yourselves and your very local areas, and the planet as a whole, to see the broader picture of man's impact on the planets ability to survive what we continue to dump upon her.

How anyone can deny that certain regions are being directly impacted by our demand for fossil fuels is like putting your head in the ground and saying, don't bother telling me Mother Nature is at risk because of our negligence.

Just wait for the expected expected responses from the Usual Suspects. haha

They never miss a chance to show their ................ grrrr.

Does mankind have the ability to directly affect the climate? Anyone who denies that is a dinosaur.

For one example of when mankind, the world over, came together in a concerted effort change the climate, one only has to look back to then 80's when mankind came together and banned CFC's. The ozone hole in the southern latitudes has been mitigated because of this coming together.

For this action alone, I still hold hope for our future generations to enjoy what we have been given.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 12:10 PM


Yeah, hairspray was causing the depletion of the ozone. And eliminating puffy 80's hair is what made the world a better place.


As for palm trees-
If you take a look at the globe, you will see how absurd your alarmist view is about rising tides. There is a finite amount of water on the planet. It gets redistributed in the form of rain, snow, ice and underground aquifers. Never does the total volume change. But keep on insulting everyone that disagrees with you.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 12:50 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  
You deniers need to look beyond yourselves and your very local areas, and the planet as a whole...



The thing is, the deniers really don't seem to care to look beyond themselves and their very local areas. As long as they aren't personally being negatively impacted, that other people are or will be suffering, including younger and future generations, is of no interest to them.

Most of the climate change deniers also have this attitude when it comes to almost everything else, as well.
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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 01:05 PM


One is either for supporting life on our only livable planet or they are not.

Hairspray? Really? Do try to catch up for all of our sakes and our future generations.

Palm trees on the Bay of Concepcion? Try looking a bit further for the real impacts of man caused weather changes planet wide.

The truth is out there for all, but only if you choose to inform yourself beyond your own local observed situations.

If ignored, you better believe the climate change will be coming your way, maybe not in your lifetime, but our future generations will know who to blame.

Mankind can change the future if they choose to. History has proved that. I hope mankind will reaffirm that again like they did with CFC's.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 01:31 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  
You deniers need to look beyond yourselves and your very local areas, and the planet as a whole

Just wait for the expected expected responses from the Usual Suspects. haha

They never miss a chance to show their ................ grrrr.


Am I the denier you are talking about? I was asking a question about variations in the sea level rise. you know...the topic of this thread!

You appear to be right about trollish responses though.




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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 01:50 PM


No, you were not the target of my ire. If you found my opinion directed personally at you, it was not my intention.

It was bringing forth a hairspray issue that inspired me to comment on this fine beautiful morning.

When mankind chose to change the climate by banning CFC's, it gave me and still gives me, hope for our future generations.

If you felt slighted, maybe consider what we can do for our future generations by changing our priorities from profiteering off of mother nature. It has happened before and can again if we choose to.

I hope all Nomads can agree on that alone, no matter which side of the spectrum we align with.

Mother Nature deserve nothing less from us.

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[*] posted on 4-7-2024 at 02:36 PM


Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  


Mankind can change the future if they choose to. History has proved that. I hope mankind will reaffirm that again like they did with CFC's.



Another thing that made it evident to what extent human activity affects the planet: During the pandemic lockdowns and reduced human activity, people working from home instead of commuting to work, doing a once a week shopping trip instead of jumping in their car every time they need a liter of milk, etc, is that worldwide pollution levels plummeted in a very short amount of time.


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