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Hook
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Actually, I have concluded since the passage of NAFTA and alot of other treaties that the US government is not out to serve its citizens in foreign
countries as much as it is out to serve US CORPORATIONS in foreign countries.
It saddens me greatly to say that but it's rare that our government does anything for the little guy unless a corporation convinces the State Dept or
a senator to do something for him/her on their behalf.
And that's just wrong.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by mtgoat666
| Quote: | Originally posted by toneart
Regarding the U.S. Government in this circumstance, it does have a responsibility to intervene on behalf of it's citizens, if the foreign government
does not act responsibly.
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I don't recall seeing this in the bill of rights.
I think the US government (and Mexican police) are overextended,.... and the squeeky wheel gets the grease.
Squeel if you want attention (but squeel politely). |
Yes....I agree.
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toneart
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Hook
Actually, I have concluded since the passage of NAFTA and alot of other treaties that the US government is not out to serve its citizens in foreign
countries as much as it is out to serve US CORPORATIONS in foreign countries.
It saddens me greatly to say that but it's rare that our government does anything for the little guy unless a corporation convinces the State Dept or
a senator to do something for him/her on their behalf.
And that's just wrong. |
Yes, sadly, I agree.
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Skeet/Loreto
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I would think that your Father, as you described, was a Man of Faith, who was doing what he enjoyed-Living His life as he wished in His Heart and
Mind!
As a Korean Veteran, a Resident and Adventuer in Baja Sur for Many years, I never felt any fear from traveling while in Baja.
I felt more Fear driving Throu Las Angeles on the I -5 Freeway, so started going down Hwy 15 instead.
Please consider that your Father was a Man who was doing His own Thing and would not Want you to Suffer!!
Through all of my many Adventures, Fear did not Stop my Desire to see" The next Challenge" but My Faith in God gave me the ability to beleive in my
self and my God.
As a person, I can only offer my Prayers for you and your Family, and assure you that I would want you to go on in your Life being Happy and remember
me for the many Good and Happy things that we enjoyed Together.
May God Bless you and your Family.
Skeet/Loreto
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aquaholic
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...I just received an email update from Adrian at the Mulege Spanglish News. The report is that there are 2 men being held in TJ in connection with
the death of Mr. Curtis. They are reported to have been in custody for about 2 weeks...they will follow as more becomes known...we all hope it is true
and they have the guilty parties...
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lindsay
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I'm in Mulege now visiting my daughter's Mexican relatives and as I passed Playa Armenta last night on the drive up from the Loreto airport, I paused
to remember your dad. My thoughts are with your family and I'm so sorry that this place that he loved to visit is also a place of tragedy for your
family...words can not really express these sentiments properly but I hope that the news of 2 possible suspects if they are responsible for your
father's murder will bring some relief to you...I know that may be cliche but I will keep you, Curt and your family in my thoughts!!
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Sharksbaja
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I get it,thanks
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Bajalero
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Lencho
Thanks for paying attention and posting this . This is good news in an otherwise miserable circumstance. Hopefully they have found the real perps
and some other dirt bags out there will take notice that there are are people in this world including Baja, that don't just say 'oh well" and give up,
but keep on dogging till a case is solved .
Kudos to any Baja California LE that had anything to do with this investigation.
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rpleger
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Lencho...
Thank you so much for posting this follow up. I know that some of us think that the police are inadequate in the Mulege area but they win their share.
Thanks again follow up and I hope put the bad guys away for a long time.
Richard on the Hill
*ABROAD*, adj. At war with savages and idiots. To be a Frenchman abroad is to
be miserable; to be an American abroad is to make others miserable.
-- Ambrose Bierce, _The Enlarged Devil\'s Dictionary_
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Bedman
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the story...
One day, I won't need Babelfish for translation.
Porfirio Sarabia Pacheco
La Paz, Baja California Sur.- En la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California, elementos de la Policía Ministerial de aquel estado, en coordinación con la de
Baja California Sur, ejecutaron orden de aprehensión en contra de Adriana Tapia Martínez, de 36 años de edad, presunta homicida, originaria de esta
capital.
La orden de aprehensión en su contra se ejecutó el día uno de septiembre de 2007 y trasladada al poblado de Mulegé, Pueblo y puesta a disposición del
licenciado Hugo Flores Bustos, juez mixto de Primera Instancia del Partido Judicial de Mulegé, con residencia en Santa Rosalía, Baja California Sur,
informó la Policía Ministerial del Estado.
Cabe resaltar que Adriana Tapia Martínez, el día 12 de noviembre de 2006, junto con Felipe Álvarez Ceseña, dieron muerte al extranjero Cortis Lloyd
Duame, de 73 años de edad.
El homicidio lo cometieron en la playa denominada "La Armenta", de aquella población, después de haberle robado al occiso su vehículo en forma
violenta, tratándose de una Grand Cherokee color blanca, modelo 2000. Tras el tiempo los presuntos homicidas abandonaron el estado para evadir la
acción de la justicia, refugiándose en el vecino estado norte.
Sin embargo, en el mes de junio de 2007, en la ciudad de Tijuana, Baja California, elementos de la Policía Ministerial del Estado lograron la
aprehensión de Felipe Álvarez Ceseña, presunto homicida.
Actualmente se encuentra recluido en el CERESO de Santa Rosalía, Baja California Sur, por los delitos de robo de vehículo con violencia y homicidio en
agravio del citado extranjero, donde también ingresó Adriana Tapia Martínez, la noche del día uno de septiembre de 2007.
and Babelfish' translation
Porfirio Sarabia Pacheco La Paz, South Baja California. - In the city of Tijuana, Baja California, elements of the Ministerial Police of that state,
in coordination with the one of South Baja California, executed order of apprehension against Adriana Mud wall Martinez, of 36 years of age, presumed
homicida, original of this capital. The apprehension order in his against executed day one of September of 2007 and transferred to the town of Mulegé,
Town and make available of Hugo lawyer Flowers Busts, mixed judge of First Instance of the Judicial Party of Mulegé, with residence in Santa Rosalía,
South Baja California, informed the Ministerial Police into the State. He is possible to stand out that Adriana Mud wall Martinez, day 12 of November
of 2006, along with Felipe Alvarez Ceseña, gave death to the foreigner Cortis Lloyd Duame, of 73 years of age. The homicide committed in the beach
denominated "the Armenta", of that population, after to him to have robbed to the victim of a murder their vehicle in violent form, being a Grand
white Cherokee color, model 2000. After the time the presumed homicidas left the state to evade the action of justice, taking refuge in the neighbor
been North. Nevertheless, in the month of June of 2007, in the city of Tijuana, Baja California, elements of the Ministerial Police of the State they
obtained the apprehension of Felipe Alvarez Ceseña, presumed homicida. At the moment one is shut in in the CERESO of Santa Rosalía, South Baja
California, by the crimes of robbery of vehicle with violence and homicide in offense of the foreign mentioned one, where also Adriana entered Mud
wall Martinez, the night of day one of September of 2007.
Bedman
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CaboRon
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Bruce R Leech
| Quote: | Originally posted by Barry A.
----I still don't "get it".
There is no way that I am going to expect the US Government to take any action on something that happens to me (or any other US Citizen) in
Mexico-------it is a FOREIGN COUNTRY-----Hello?????? They can "look into things", but that is about all they can do, or can be expected to do, in my
opinion.
When one travels abroad, you are pretty much on your own-----that is my point, and folks should remember that. . |
Berry the US gov. or state dept. will recover the body of any us citizen that dies in a foreign country.and they really dropped the ball on this one.
they did nothing that they were supposed to do. |
Bruce,
I wish you were right..... I have been through this experience twice now, of recovering bodies of americans killed in auto accidents in baja.
The us government was no help whatsever on either occasion.
And each time the cost to recover the body was well over five thousand dollars us. And incredible anguish and complication after complication was
the norm in both of these operations.
I suppose if you know a congressman you might get some help.
Just my experience.
-CaboRon
[Edited on 9-4-2007 by CaboRon]
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Cypress
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Bajawaverunner, The couple that own and operate Playa Buenvenura, an American guy and Mexican lady, live there. Very friendly and helpful couple.
They've probably got a website.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | | [i (the bar is next door to a hotel that is managed by some crazy old american guy). I don't recall the bar owner's name, (maybe Mike was his name?)
but probably someone on this board knows who he is... American guy, late 40's or maybe 50ish, married to an mexican lady about the same age.
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You must be still in highschool to relate to people in their 40's as crazy old folks. 
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Cypress
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BajaWaverunner, The hotel next door? Yep, it's like stepping into the Twilight Zone, occupancy rate is zero. Next door neighbors on the north side?
Way less than friendly. Weird situation.
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vandenberg
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaWaverunner
Sorry - I was talking about the operator of the hotel next door. He was in his 60's or maybe 70 and, in my opinion, definately off his rocker.
I rcall the bar owner and his wife to be very friendly as cypress mentioned. |
Was always under the impression that Mike and his wife ( Olivia  ) were the
owners of that whole complex.
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