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Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  | More likely is the chance for some meatheads to offer their opinions. haha
Since 'meatheads' was brought up, I could not resist the meatheads out there being called out for their never ending denials of mankind's direct
effect on Mother Earth's ability to sustain life.
Oxxo, you are the breath of fresh air on this forum that we have needed. Please do not give up on us, even if some can't help themselves from being
contrarians.
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Gracias Amigo. My very conservative, fundamentalist Christian father-in-law used to call me "meathead" (and still does in my dreams :lol . I truly loved that man and he loved me too, if for no other reason that he had no
biological sons.
So anyone can call me meathead and I will consider it an honor!
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| Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666 | [/rquote]
Why are you all focused on straws? If you avoid drive-ins and takeout, you will eat healthier, and an added benefit is you wont have need for straws
If you are focused on straws, you are misguided. The really appalling consumer waste is single use water bottles. Carry a water bottle, fill it up as
needed. Every single use water bottle is a crime against nature.
Also, buying bottles single servings of water is incredibly wasteful $$. Water from the tap is a fraction of a penny per liter. Water from single use
plastic bottle is often over a 1000x more expensive than tap water.
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Of course you are right Devil Goat and I agree with you 100%. I use maybe use two straws a year, drink water from my Britta pitcher, eat a very
healthy, 90% vegetarian diet, and maintain a healthy weight.
I would like to see you invest in a BEV as soon as possible. You're a California resident and therefore qualify for all kinds of rebates and credits.
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OXXO,
The top picture is this year. It has lots of new yellow which is cooler than Orange. The red spot off of mexico is also smaller. I know this doesn’t
match the Climate Dogma being peddled currently. So go figure!
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg25934500-100-somethin...
The only collected weather data for this area comes from personal weather stations of which there 4. They all agree that the nighttime temperatures
run around 59F which is normal. The locals are often farmers. This area has a long history of agriculture as a result of lower temperatures and
abundant water (for a desert). Generally sucessful farmers are weather knowledgeable as opposed to the flyover climate types.
Those are this AMs lows, currently it’s 62.7F and overcast with 93% humidity.
 
[Edited on 6-9-2024 by RFClark]
It’s a nice day in “Hell”
Death Valley is nice too!
As of 11:40 AM PDT 6/9/24
[Edited on 6-9-2024 by RFClark]
[Edited on 6-9-2024 by RFClark]
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Its that extremely high humidity that I think needs to be tapped into. If you have AC and collect the water it produces you are likely already aware
of what can be extracted from it. Solar capabilities are already well understood, but another natural advantage of the area is the pretty constant
winds. I think the whole area from Todos Santos up to Punta Conejo has great renewable resource capability if it can be developed before it becomes
overly settled.
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CHANGE is the only constant on this planet. It will certainly get warmer in some regions and cooler in others. Electric cars will NOT change that.
That old palm tree on Conception Bay will die one of these days. But it wont be a drowning death.
Travel if you are able.
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JD,
Collecting AC condensate makes sense, recycling gray water makes sense. Some of us do that now. Most places don’t do much to encourage either. What
they do demand is that you pay the same or more while using less. They (government) being the primary beneficiary as they can avoid investing in new
infrastructure while collecting even more fees and taxes.
As an example, Mexico is finally tying the BC electric grid into mainland Mexico. Until now Northern BC has been tied into the US grid. The plan seems
to be to build thermal generating plants on the mainland and feed power into the California grid rather than selling the fuel for export as Mexico is
short on LNG export capacity. There is talk of wind power too, so far talk only though.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | JD,
Collecting AC condensate makes sense, recycling gray water makes sense. Some of us do that now. Most places don’t do much to encourage either. What
they do demand is that you pay the same or more while using less. They (government) being the primary beneficiary as they can avoid investing in new
infrastructure while collecting even more fees and taxes.
As an example, Mexico is finally tying the BC electric grid into mainland Mexico. Until now Northern BC has been tied into the US grid. The plan seems
to be to build thermal generating plants on the mainland and feed power into the California grid rather than selling the fuel for export as Mexico is
short on LNG export capacity. There is talk of wind power too, so far talk only though.
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Its pretty surprising how rapidly the area from Todos Santos to Cabo has been developing, so I think wind power is only approachable from Todos Santos
North along the coast where the development is far lower at this point. Perhaps large solar farms as well, but the past government seemed to be
opposed to both. Maybe the new election will make a difference.
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JD,
Wind power in BCS seems to work best at higher elevations, like the ridge West of La Paz. There is a place south of us that has 2 small wind
generators they are located 200’ or so above the beach. They run during the day when the wind comes from the ocean due to inland heating.
We primarily get usable wind during the day. Solar is better here. Major solar needs to be inland from the beach a mile or two to avoid the morning
and afternoon low clouds. The clouds are one of the primary reasons our panels are mounted flat.
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It's actually 100% a scientific topic. Just like viral pandemics. That you and your ilk want to turn those things into political topics doesn't mean
they are.
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No,
Actually not! You can’t even acknowledge any scientific paper that opposes your personal climate dogma! Other reputable scientists disagree with
your views in peer reviewed papers. Basically your response is either crickets or I don’t accept that journal as an approved source for me to read.
The demonstrated adverse effect of the clean air regulations on the increase in the rate of temperature rise as one example! Crickets!
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark |
Actually not! You can’t even acknowledge any scientific paper that opposes your personal climate dogma! Other reputable scientists disagree with
your views in peer reviewed papers. Basically your response is either crickets or I don’t accept that journal as an approved source for me to read.
The demonstrated adverse effect of the clean air regulations on the increase in the rate of temperature rise as one example! Crickets!
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You are entirely incorrect. That I choose to believe what are the overwhelming majority of scientists doesn't mean that has anything whatsover to do
with politics.
When someone has a serious medical condition diagnosed, along with a recommended course of treatment, they often go to another doctor, or two, for a
second or third opinion. Now imagine one had the financial means to consult 100 doctors. Of those 100, 90% concurred with the first doctor's diagnosis
and recommended treatment, which was that the patient needed surgery or they would be dead within 2 years. 10% had a different opinions. Some said
the condition could be managed through diet and exercise and surgery wasn't necessary.
A patient who wanted to believe they didn't need surgery, and was suspicious that all those doctors who recommended surgery were just after the money
might ignore the 90% of concurring opinions they got, and may or may not be dead within 2 years.
But the vast majority of people wouldn't want to risk dying within 2 years and would choose to believe what 90% of doctors told them and opt for the
surgery.
There's nothing "political" about that. It's a matter of common sense and risk assessment.
Nor did I ever put forth the idea that pollution lessening extreme heat from the sun was incorrect. What is nuts is trying to put some good spin on
air pollution when obviously breathing polluted air isn't good for anyone, regardless of it helping keep the planet cooler. It's only interesting as a
scientific fact, but has no value in terms of climate crisis solutions.
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Not political. Unbiased historical analysis!
Woke!
“...ask not what your country can do for you – ask what you can do for your country.” “My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America
will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man.”
Prefered gender pronoun: the royal we
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S,
Still having a problem parsing English. I never used the”P” word in connection with you!
The most good for the most people comes to mind here! Lifeboat Rules!
Your cohort is forecasting “millions dead from the heat”!
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Goat,
Absolutely, Just “History”! Like “An unbiased History of the Civil War from the Southern Viewpoint”
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| Quote: Originally posted by surabi |
You are entirely incorrect. That I choose to believe what are the overwhelming majority of scientists doesn't mean that has anything whatsover to do
with politics.
When someone has a serious medical condition diagnosed, along with a recommended course of treatment, they often go to another doctor, or two, for a
second or third opinion. Now imagine one had the financial means to consult 100 doctors. Of those 100, 90% concurred with the first doctor's diagnosis
and recommended treatment, which was that the patient needed surgery or they would be dead within 2 years. 10% had a different opinions. Some said
the condition could be managed through diet and exercise and surgery wasn't necessary.
A patient who wanted to believe they didn't need surgery, and was suspicious that all those doctors who recommended surgery were just after the money
might ignore the 90% of concurring opinions they got, and may or may not be dead within 2 years.
But the vast majority of people wouldn't want to risk dying within 2 years and would choose to believe what 90% of doctors told them and opt for the
surgery.
There's nothing "political" about that. It's a matter of common sense and risk assessment.
Nor did I ever put forth the idea that pollution lessening extreme heat from the sun was incorrect. What is nuts is trying to put some good spin on
air pollution when obviously breathing polluted air isn't good for anyone, regardless of it helping keep the planet cooler. It's only interesting as a
scientific fact, but has no value in terms of climate crisis solutions.
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OXXO,
Like away, but she’s wrong. She’s going with appeal to authority debating approach. In the real world every major advance in scientific theory was
put out by one or a few and resisted sometimes to the death by the establishment.
Continental drift as an example.
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Yes, of course the establishment often takes awhile to accept new ideas or ones that go against the accepted thinking. And often vilifies the
alternative thinkers.
That doesn't mean the outliers are always right, though. Often they are wrong.
And alternative theories are often inconsequential as far as actually affecting peoples' lives. Whether someone believes this or that theory or
research about continental drift or whether the earth is flat or when in history humans started making tools doesn't have the potential to affect my
health or my life or that of generations to come.
So when 90% of the world's scientists and health professionals tell me that it's important to get a Covid vaccine so I don't end up hospitalized or
dead, I am going to follow that advice. That doesn't mean I totally dismiss what some other scientists and health professionals have to say to the
contrary, it just means I am doing a risk assessment and choosing to err on the side of caution.
In fact, I passed on the Chinese vax that was being offered where I live because A. It was reported to have less than optimal efficacy and B. The
viral vector-type vaxes were the ones being reported to be causing blood clots. I knew that those cases were miniscule compared to the numbers of
people who had gotten those vaxes, but because I have extremely low blood pressure, so am at risk for thrombosis, I opted to keep myself safe by going
out as little as possible, masking up and keeping my distance when I couldn't avoid it, and waiting until I went to Canada a year later and getting
the MRNA Pfizer, which didn't carry that blood clot risk.
And it's the same with measures to combat climate change. I would rather do what I can to lessen my carbon footprint in the hopes that what I do
contributes in some small part to the solution, than to argue that because China is a major polluter, or that rich people are hypocritical and have a
huge carbon footprint, whatever I do doesn't matter and that I should just carry on with whatever harmful to the environment things I want to, because
changing my ways would impact my preferred lifestyle.
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| Quote: Originally posted by RFClark | OXXO,
In the real world every major advance in scientific theory was put out by one or a few and resisted sometimes to the death by the establishment.
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What are you talking about? How does this relate to global warming due to the burning of fossil fuels? The scientific establishment is onboard and
there are just a few outliers disagreeing.
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| Quote: Originally posted by SFandH |
What are you talking about? How does this relate to global warming due to the burning of fossil fuels? The scientific establishment is onboard and
there are just a few outliers disagreeing.
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