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again quoting the LBC owners as if they are presenting "real facts" - not marketing bullchit JIBBERISH - she wrote to me, I wrote her back and asked
her to appreciate that our concern is not about "Will Little Loreto grow Into a Real Tourist Destination" - our concern is Will LBC destroy little
Loreto altogether..."
wonder if she'll get it...obviously, being a journalist does not necessary mean "skeptical researcher" - but I'll keep trying...
Fish, dude, write me - I have a question for you...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Baja_Girl
Fish, dude, write me - I have a question for you... |
My U2U won't work right so that's why I haven't answered.
You can email me or wait until I get to the library. Thanks
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oldhippie provided an informative link on page 11. It's to a Baja Life article that does a good job examining LB. One of the conclusions I found
interesting was that they could build fewer, more expensive units, and, make more money and have less impact on the environment. It also goes into the
energy consumption issue. LB estimates usage of 6 - 10 megawatts by the village. They also estimate 20 megawatts from their wind farm, from which they
can sell the surplus. On the next page, they address their (planned) desal unit, which will absorb 6 - 9 megawatts. Sounds like a break even plan to
me, at best. What will happen if the wind doesn't blow..???
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Don Alley
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| Quote: | Originally posted by aquaholic
oldhippie provided an informative link on page 11. It's to a Baja Life article that does a good job examining LB. One of the conclusions I found
interesting was that they could build fewer, more expensive units, and, make more money and have less impact on the environment. It also goes into the
energy consumption issue. LB estimates usage of 6 - 10 megawatts by the village. They also estimate 20 megawatts from their wind farm, from which they
can sell the surplus. On the next page, they address their (planned) desal unit, which will absorb 6 - 9 megawatts. Sounds like a break even plan to
me, at best. What will happen if the wind doesn't blow..??? |
Those electric numbers are really irrelevent. What is constantly overlooked is that the resource in greatest shortage here, for the purpose of large
developments, is not water or electricity. It is people. Loreto does not have the population to support Loreto Bay. So a larger population will be
imported from other Mexican states. In the tens of thousands. The windfarm will only make a dent on the overall increase in demand, wind or no wind.
Same with the desal. Government will have to supply more water and more power as a result of this anything-but-sustainable development.
But what the windmill will do is allow selling of "carbon credits," which will help greenwash someone's offsite pollution.
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Don, good observation. This is a great thread, it's helping us all connect the dots, and the line that is being drawn leads to another Cabo San Lucas.
We probably all guessed that at the beginning but now enough information has been posted where it's no longer a guess.
It's time to get Greenpeace involved. They have a lot of horsepower and their tactics can get results.
Check this out, it's almost criminal:
http://www.costaloreto.com/index.html
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Lencho, see my 20 April, 1PM post about their wind power idea.
Wind power is a good idea but the basics about how to use it are still being debated. Of course the wind generators must be placed in an area where
there is sufficient wind energy. But, the basic engineering questions of whether it is better to build a big wind farm in a really windy area, or
build many smaller wind farms distributed in less windy areas, have yet to be answered. Central installations will require high voltage distribution,
distributed installations would simply dump the energy produced into the local distribution system.
I bet the wind farm Loreto Bay is planning never gets built and that the development will be powered by buring oil. Even if it gets built it won't
produce enough.
Wind and photovoltaic generators at best augment a fossil or nuclear fuel based system. They can't be turned on and off when power is needed and not
needed and when they produce power it must be used or it is lost. There is no way to economically store electrical energy for later use.
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Seems I remember PG&E using surplus electric energy from a nuclear plant to pump water up into a lake, then when more power was needed, then let
the water out producing hydro generated electricity. Used water as a storage medium.
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bajalou
You're suggesting converting wind kinetic energy to electrical energy to potential energy and then back to electrical energy. Each time you convert
energy from one form to another a significant amout is used (lost usually as heat due to friction) making the conversion. Plus to do as you suggest
would require a hydroelectric plant at the bottom of the waterfall.
But it is a method of storing energy, it's just not economical. The other obvious solution is batteries but that's really expensive. Plus I think
batteries require more energy to make than you'll ever get out of them, so you're robbing Peter to pay Paul. In the long run it's a loser.
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They've been going piecemeal for quite some time. Most of the current actual development came from lot sales and individual construction of private
homes. I just heard a couple of days ago that the permits for the marina have been granted.
This is on a much, much smaller scale than Loreto Bay, and while I don't like all that Senor Salvat (a local guy) has planned there, I don't think it
will have the kind of impact that the much larger, out of town developments like LB, Villas Group, Paraiso, and Golden Beach will have. The whole
stretch of waterfront north of Loreto to just short of El Bajo/Doctor's Point was subdivided into lots and sold by the ejido so the days of open space
thre are gone anyway. The Costa Loreto development does not appear to have the financial horsepower of the foreign developments, and it's hard to say
just how much it will progress beyond private home sales.
But, hey, the flashy web site...where are they going to get all that pretty white sand for their hard rocky beach?
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| Quote: | Originally posted by bajalou
Seems I remember PG&E using surplus electric energy from a nuclear plant to pump water up into a lake, then when more power was needed, then let
the water out producing hydro generated electricity. Used water as a storage medium. |
I've seen such plans, commented on some FERC license applications too.
They are not net generators of power. They work like this: Use surplus power in off-peak hours (when power can be purchased cheaper) to pump water
uphill to a reservoir. Then, during peak hours, generate power from that reservoir and sell it at peak power rates.
So they do allow for higher peak power consumption, although overall there is a net loss. Most imporantly, there is a net gain in profits.
Could workin Baja, except they'd have to use salt water.
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lencho, it's on page 9
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vulture looking for heat stroked loreto bay golfers.
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and the construction is for the birds
I'm no inginero but is there enough reinforcement there? 
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I'm no inginero but is there enough reinforcement there?
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let's hope not...maybe a good breeze will come along and blow it all away...we can hope...
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They are building them as they did 200 years ago, so they will look natural, if they put the columns in like they do now to meet earthquake standards
they would not look natural.
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is there a mortar shortage in loreto? I mean really, look at the one close-up of the bricks. I thought cement was sort of important stuff.
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Cost more to use enough mortar. it is 3rd rate work, It amazes me that folks with the brins to make enough money to buy into these pipe dreams
do,, I think its gonna be like some of the projects in san felipe that sat vacant for years for one reason or another
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According to Scott Montell, Chief Legal Counsel and Exec. VP of LB Co., who spent 4 days working with them in the field, "They use a type of slurry on
top of the blocks, but not in between them." Here's his full report (interesting, long).
http://www.loretobayfoundation.org/index.php?tg=fileman&...
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| Quote: | Originally posted by oldhippie
is there a mortar shortage in loreto? I mean really, look at the one close-up of the bricks. I thought cement was sort of important stuff.
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I have more detailed close ups, three in a series, should I post them?
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