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Iflyfish
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movinguy
Thanks, I continue to learn, didn't realize these guys existed.
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BajaGringo
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Very interesting link...
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by BajaGringo
I agree with your point on that k-rico. The problem is that the base ingredients of drugs like marijuana, cocaine and heroin are naturally grown...
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Of course that's true for those drugs and everyone knows it, but its not true for methamphetamine, probably the most widely abused and the most
destructive of them all.
THE fundamental reason it exists is because of the LEGAL manufacture of its precursor chemicals so shareholders in the pharmaceutical companies can
profit from the huge sales of unnecessary but nice to have cold medicines. That is why I'm focusing in on it. The chemical companies and the
pharmaceutical companies know what's going on BUT PROFITS ARE MORE IMPORTANT.
Remember that the next time you hear of someone dying because of the meth trade or decide to buy sudafed because you are bothered by a runny nose.
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k-rico
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From the link posted above:
If hard drugs such as heroin or cocaine were legalized would you be likely to use them?
99% SAY "NO"
Zogby International asked that question of 1,028 likely voters. Ninety-nine out of 100 said "No." Only 0.6 percent said "Yes."
Drug War advocates have always insisted that addiction would explode if drugs were legalized. But that argument comes apart under the weight of the
evidence. While a poll can't predict actual drug use, it clearly shows that most of us avoid hard drugs because of common sense – not fear of arrest.
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What a bogus poll!!! They asked 1,028 LIKELY VOTERS. May I suggest that likely voters aren't likely drug users. If they asked the twenty something
crowd hanging out on the streets they would jump for joy at legalized drugs. AND then your son or daughter that just went away to college may attend
the next party awash in LEGALIZED drugs where there is no fear of arrest or any kind of recriminations. But of course your son or daughter would say
no. It's the other people's sons and daughters that decide to experiment with heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine, and of course few will get
addicted eventhough the drugs made them feel great. Why do you think people get addicted, because it's an unpleasant experience?
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movinguy
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It is the government's job to protect people from each other, not to protect them from themselves. 
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Skipjack Joe
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Following your lead on this, K-Rico.
It appears that pharmaceutical companies have been making changes in the drugs to comply with the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005. Looks
like phenylepherine is replacing pseudoephedrine in common drugs manufactured by the pharmaceuticals to thwart the generation of methatamines.
http://new.stjohns.edu/academics/centers/teach/forum/forum_2...
I'm no expert on this. Just searching the internet on the subject.
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k-rico
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
Following your lead on this, K-Rico.
It appears that pharmaceutical companies have been making changes in the drugs to comply with the Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005. Looks
like phenylepherine is replacing pseudoephedrine in common drugs manufactured by the pharmaceuticals to thwart the generation of methatamines.
http://new.stjohns.edu/academics/centers/teach/forum/forum_2...
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You're correct. Of course what I'm saying is not news to the experts. There are efforts to eliminate the precursor chemicals. But it's an uphill
battle because of DC lobbyists and Wall Street shareholders. Meth will/might be impossible to cook up someday, but only after the pharmaceutical
companies come up with a new chemical the shrinks mucas membranes so polite people don't have to blow their noses when they have a cold.
Buy a handkerchief!
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toneart
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dao45
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For alol anyone knows the cartels might own legal comanies and run night shifts.
Happens in Asia
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Skipjack Joe
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Cocaine addiction
Found this to be informative about how powerful cocaine addiction is:
Relapse rates among cocaine users is in the range of 94-99%, the highest among all common drugs of abuse.
Rhesus monkeys (mothers) will abandon their young just to stay hooked. That helped me understand why my bud Tony could never come clean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaine_dependence#Treatment
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BajaGringo
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| Quote: | Originally posted by k-rico
The chemical companies and the pharmaceutical companies know what's going on BUT PROFITS ARE MORE IMPORTANT.
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Very true...
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Skipjack Joe
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The term "War on Drugs" makes no sense to me in that it implies some sort of victory and finality to the whole thing. It's more like trying to cure
the common cold (don't run with this bajagringo). The virus is constantly changing and morphing and you just have to stay on top of things. Similarly,
the potential number of addictive drugs is probably endless and as soon as one solution is found another drug will appear and the process will start
all over again.
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k-rico
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Why people get hooked on meth
If you're an old Nomad, just add Viagra:
"Doctors and government officials don’t like to talk much about it, but there is an obvious reason people get hooked on methamphetamine: sex."
If Pfizer came up with a harmless substitute aphrodisiac, they would make a fortune. They could mix it in with the Viagra chemical and add a porn DVD
(blue ray of course) to the package. - Wow!!
"Come on sweetie, let's stay home tonight, but I need to go to the pharmacia first." 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6646180/
[Edited on 12-4-2008 by k-rico]
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gnukid
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Skipjack Joe
The term "War on Drugs" makes no sense to me in that it implies some sort of victory and finality to the whole thing. It's more like trying to cure
the common cold (don't run with this bajagringo). The virus is constantly changing and morphing and you just have to stay on top of things. Similarly,
the potential number of addictive drugs is probably endless and as soon as one solution is found another drug will appear and the process will start
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It seems well understood to be a false notion with many layers of lies built upon one goal-profit for bankers.
Interesting to look back at our naivete only a decade or two ago compared to the level of awareness today about the true perpetrators of drug sales.
Now, it seems the time has come to put this nonsense to rest and to move toward practical community centered programs that eradicate the
criminal/bank/cartel influence while supporting those who need help and rehabilitating those who suffer from addiction.
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Iflyfish
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Skipjack
You are absolutely right, it is a giant and very expensive wach a mole game with out end.
k-rico
The sort of information that you are providing is what in the long run, along with experience meeting tweekers who have burned themselves out with
this drug is what will finally decrease its use. Public education strategies that tell the TRUTH is what is sorely needed. Scare campaigns built on
lies only makes the problem worse. I think it is important for people, including young people to know that DRUGS FEEL GOOD. Acknowledging this simple
fact undermines the arguments for use. I always talk about this issue with people in the following way. Why do people take drugs? This leads directly
to the issue, "They feel good". Then comes the next question "have you ever seen people who have used drugs and how it affects them?" Young people
generally only know casual users and may not have been exposed to long term users or addicts. Then comes the exposure to those folks in whatever way
you can. Treat it like a job exploration. What do you want to do about this yourself? How would you know if someone you knew had a problem with drugs
or alcohol? How would you know if you had a problem with alcohol or drugs? Who would be the last to know if you had a problem with alcohol or drugs?
Who would you trust to be straight with you if they thought you were having a problem with alcohol or drugs? What would you do if they told you this?
It takes time to educate a populace but it can be done, look at the decrease in tobacco use that is clearly tied to public education, taxes and laws
regarding use. Social stigma has now been attached to tobacco use and it also has an effect.
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Skipjack Joe
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Iflyfish
Skipjack
You are absolutely right...
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Oh, I love it when you say that. That might be my preferred drug. 
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Edder
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Well,
I have to say I'm happy to be home and back in my normal routine. School is going well so far but its still early. I'm trying to be really into it and
get it done so we'll see how that progress goes.
I am sitting at home, in my house with heat just blowing up a storm in the basement while it is snowy and roughly -26 degrees Celsius outside.
Tomorrow morning it will be -32 degrees Celsius. I'm not happy about that; I have an 8am class...across the city!
Let's hope TioMiguel's son who I named, Baja Ben!'s Volvo will start!!!
That doesn't happen in Mexico does it? Unless someone's taken your engine...right?
Greetings from Canada,
Edder
You know what we say here;
If you don't like the weather in Canada - wait 5 minutes.
Edder
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BajaGringo
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Huh???
Glad your back home but what in the hell does any of this have to do with when will the people of Mexico take back their country????
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DENNIS
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| Quote: | Originally posted by Edder
You know what we say here;
If you don't like the weather in Canada - wait 5 minutes. |
I thought Mark Twain said that .......
"If you don't like the weather in New England, wait a minute."
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BajaGringo
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That's kind of like what I tell my company I have over here at the house.
"If you don't like me now, wait till I've had 3 more drinks."
( burp )
Looking at my avatar I can see I get better looking too. Be patient, I am sure to improve...
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